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| Quote ="Tigerade"Been doing the rounds for quite a while that one. Cannot see it happening myself. We cannot sell the ground so why try and sell part of it ? Who would want to live on the door step of a RL stadium anyway ?'"
Presumably those who live on Princess St
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| I 'm not sure but I think the houses on Princess Street were there before the stadium.
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| Quote ="Tigerade"Been doing the rounds for quite a while that one. Cannot see it happening myself. We cannot sell the ground so why try and sell part of it ? Who would want to live on the door step of a RL stadium anyway ?'"
Would be used for 'affordable housing' I should guess. They are not going to build these types of developments in leafy suburbs as the land prices would be too high, somewhere like the training ground would be the type of area they would target.
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| I could understand selling off the car park next to the training pitch for "affordable housing "and using part or all of the pitch for parking, but that would not raise much to "improve" the ground. Essential repairs and a make-over only.
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| If you're looking at housing that won't generate anywhere near the money you need for a new stadium of your own.
If you move to NM from the start I think you have a chance of establishing a "ground share" mentality, ie neither ours nor yours. If you come late to the party (any later than May IMO) the ground will forever be seen as the home of Wakefield Trinity.
Although if you'd prefer to go to Donny.
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| Quote ="sixtogo"The latest 'rumoured' plan doing the rounds is that the training pitch and car park is to be sold off for housing to finance some vital ground improvements at WR.'"
That would raise about £3m. Wouldn't even build us a new stand.
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| I don't think its to build a new stand, more make essential repairs to existing fixtures and fittings around the place.
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| Quote ="sixtogo"I don't think its to build a new stand, more make essential repairs to existing fixtures and fittings around the place.'"
Or to pay the outstanding debt to the Fulton Family!
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| Quote ="deeHell"Or to pay the outstanding debt to the Fulton Family!
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Why - do they want paying up ?
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| "If you move to NM from the start I think you have a chance of establishing a "ground share" mentality, ie neither ours nor yours."
That ship sailed long ago. Not a cat in hell's chance.
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| Quote ="Fully"That would raise about £3m. Wouldn't even build us a new stand.'"
Assuming you'd get 3 million and with todays land prices I'm not sure, that would easily be enough to build a new stand with a capacity of say 5k with some boxes and a bar/restaurant.
Problem is that you wouldn't be able to use all the cash on the one project, instead using it to make piecemeal and patch up improvements to WR thus gaining nothing long term.
We have had the same issue at BV for 30 years. I've seen all the plans and some looked fantastic - however we were always forced to stick plasters (ie the floodlights) on the old girl often believe it or not at considerable cost and were never able to start the planned rebuild properly because we never had enough cash. In the last 10 years over 2.5 million has been spent on BV - hard to spot isn't it.
I'm not trolling but I can't see how your going to get the funds to do a half decent revamp of W/R, not in the present economic climate anyway.
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| Maybe we should employ Sir Rodders to find us the money. He's doing a great job for WTW in finding the required millions for NM.
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| Quote ="vastman"Assuming you'd get 3 million and with todays land prices I'm not sure, that would easily be enough to build a new stand with a capacity of say 5k with some boxes and a bar/restaurant.
Problem is that you wouldn't be able to use all the cash on the one project, instead using it to make piecemeal and patch up improvements to WR thus gaining nothing long term.
We have had the same issue at BV for 30 years. I've seen all the plans and some looked fantastic - however we were always forced to stick plasters (ie the floodlights) on the old girl often believe it or not at considerable cost and were never able to start the planned rebuild properly because we never had enough cash. In the last 10 years over 2.5 million has been spent on BV - hard to spot isn't it.
I'm not trolling but I can't see how your going to get the funds to do a half decent revamp of W/R, not in the present economic climate anyway.'"
What was the last individual stand you saw built for £3m with that capacity?
Halifax's 3500 stand cost £5m to build, Hull KR's North Stand is costing £8.2m, Hull KR's 1120 extension to the East Stand cost £750k to. For a full size stand without any other facilities that would cost £3.75m for a 5k capacity as you insist. £3m wouldn't be enough to build anything anywhere near the capacity needed along with restaurant, corporate and hospitality.
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| Why do we need a 5k stand, that is nearly half the capacity of welden road, at present the old wooden fire wood only gets half or at the very most three quarters full.
if cas could make £3m for the land round the ground, the club should look into getting grants to upgrade the toilets, dressing rooms and what ever ells their is out their.
Sell the land back to the council for £??
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| I posted on here 12 month ago that Cas wouldn't be getting their new ground and I got shot down in flames,simply cos I was saying something Cas fans didn't want to hear.Surely sharing Newmarket has got to be good for both clubs,and if any Wakefield fan says they don't need to share,they need to remember what happened to them a couple of year ago and that could easily happen again in the future.Would sharing a ground and sharing costs help each club to survive,surely only one answer to that.
I'm a Bulls fan so I know only too well how things can change
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| Quote ="roger daly"Surely sharing Newmarket has got to be good for both clubs'"
How so?
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| Would sharing the costs,especially in this day and age,not be a good enough reason,both clubs would have more money to spend on other things.
Firm believer if its good enough for the Milan clubs in football it's got to be good enough for Cas and Wakie
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| Firm believer if its good enough for the Milan clubs in football it's got to be good enough for Cas and Wakie'"
Really isn't as easy as that you have supporters of Inter & Milan living side by side in the same city....plus i think you'll find supporters of both clubs don't like sharing the council owned San Siro. They are looking on in envy at the new Juventus stadium...which is owned by the club
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| Quote ="duke street 10"Really isn't as easy as that you have supporters of Inter & Milan living side by side in the same city....plus i think you'll find supporters of both clubs don't like sharing the council owned San Siro. They are looking on in envy at the new Juventus stadium...which is owned by the club'"
Plus they've been talking about building 2 stadiums on opposite sides of the city for years now.
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| The main problem is that never club has a new stadium, who knows Cas might get the investment to start, it's ready to be started when the money can be found
NM is supposedly ready to go, thats when they get drawings & planing, & all the concrete carbuncles built, with a bit of luck it will get built in the future
I have no problem at all with a new ground being built at NM, the only problem i have is with all the un-required warehouses
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| Quote ="frank5613"I have no problem at all with a new ground being built at NM, the only problem i have is with all the un-required warehouses'"
Fortunately, that ship has sailed.
With respect to the original assertion that both clubs would be better off; that seems to be based on a fundamental misunderstanding of the proposed scheme, particularly the fact that it's fully funded by the developer(s), so there is no up-front cost to whichever clubs end up playing there.
On balance, I don't think it matters either way to WTW; from a Cas perspective, the loss of revenue, their only assett and the goodwill of so many fans, probably means they wouldn't be better off at all.
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| Like i said i have no problem with a stadium at NM, i know there is plenty who do.
In my mind the stadium is good for the area as all three grounds are past their best, if it all goes as planed we wont have long to wait, but things never seem to go to plan.
The last part i dont understand, the goodwill & revenue & assert.
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| Quote ="frank5613"The last part i dont understand, the goodwill & revenue & assert.'"
The poster said that both clubs would be better off if they shared at Newmarket - I'm pointing out that he seems to have misunderstood both the scheme itself and the position that our two clubs are in; Cas in particular wouldn't seem to be better off at NM, as it would mean flogging WR, losing matchday revenue from drinks and food and ticking off lots of their fans.
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| Quote ="bren2k" Cas in particular wouldn't seem to be better off at NM, as it would mean flogging WR, losing matchday revenue from drinks and food and ticking off lots of their fans.'"
I agree with you 100% !
By the way Bren let Kinley know:- Gossip is usually reports about others, details which are not confirmed as true
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| Quote ="bigalf"I agree with you 100% !
By the way Bren let Kinley know:- Gossip is usually reports about others, details which are not confirmed as true'"
The point remains completely valid then!!
#obsessedgossip
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