I think it's rather sad trying to make this whole thing into a joke. Homophobia compared to calling someone a ginger is worlds apart. You might think you are been funny but you are no better than the folk committing the homophobic chants at you hovel of a dump

Any form of discrimination is wrong anyone who cant see that is as bad as the homophobes.

Well that's quite simple. Was it not that the opening poster was saying Leeds should be given a £40k fine like Cas because of the "alleged" redhead incident?

My response was did Leeds have a suspended fine hanging over them or had been warned previosly about controlling supporters?

If you want to treat them all equally then they are only the same if Leeds or any other club had the same warnings and suspended sentence hanging over them. As it stands now, had the opening poster put that because of this incident on Saturday then Leeds should be warned about future controlling of fans, then he might have had a point. But he didn't, he said Leeds should be fined the same as Cas.

What Leeds did on Saturday is put officials into the stand and announced immediately over the tannoy of what there intentions were if the language continued. This is something Cas even failed to begin to do, despite previous warnings and a suspended fine hanging over them.

I think you lot need to get a grip. Move away from yoyr slums and you'll see a world out there of gay people and ginger people. how on earth would you cope?

Erm cas did put officials into the stand and sent warnings out over the tannoy, so leeds did no more than cas did.

So you think leeds should be given a suspended fine if the rfl are employing its respect policy without favour?

I dont live in a slum thanks, havent even seen one since last time i travelled through leeds. Theres plenty of gay and ginger people in cas thanks one of my best friends happens to fall into both catogories.

So tell us why in your head is it ok to abuse one set of people for being who they are, but not ok to abuse another group of people.

All forms of discrimination are wrong, if you cant see that your a bigot.

No, I think if the RFL deem that Leeds mad as little effor in controlling their supporters had Cas had previously done, then they should be warned about it. Which is what Cas were done previously to getting the suspended fine, which was previous to the new fine.

That is what handling equally is.

slums

How many houses around Headingley and in fact Leeds have metal gates in front of doors, such a lovely place it is, Cas is a treasure compared to places within your city ie beeston,headingley to name a couple.

POT KETTLE BLACK OLD LAD!

Why is it that so many Leeds fans appear incapable of posting a rugby related comment on another club's board without making a disparaging remark about their supporter's perceived socio/economic status. The Rhino's fan base really does include some of the most insidious/obnoxious pieces of work you would ever hope not to meet.

Anyway.... while agreeing that our homophobic chanting was more unacceptable than the episode at Headingley on Saturday it is still valid to suggest Leeds have a case to answer in relation to the game's Respect policy.

Given that the abuse of players and officials continued throughout the game, its obvious that leeds did not do a good enough job of controlling the fans. Which is is against the rfls respect policy, therefore it would be fair for leeds to get a warning from the rfl and a fine if it happens again. That is of course if all clubs are treated equally by the rfl. This will prove if they are or not.

No it didn't continue throughout the game. It stopped. But then again without the sky cameras there I wouldn't have even know about it, as I sit in the Carnegie and can not hear much chanting from the southstand most weeks.

But that said, if a warning is deemed then that is fair enough. So you agree that the opening poster has completely gone over the top though?

I take it you will also be putting in your complaints to the RFL about Warrington last week on Sky, and will look for your future episodes for all Sky covered games, since the same language is indeed clearly audible at all games.

The key though is whether a club does something about it, something Cas could learn a lot from previously.

The chanting may have stopped and started but it was heard at the start of the match (6 minutes or so in iirc) and was heard a number of other times during the game (last time i could recall hearing it at about 65 mins i think). The chanting was on a larger scale and for longer duration than cas got fined for.

You may not have heard it at the game but the chanting cas got fined for wasnt heard by most cas fans, anyone in the press box, the refereeing staff or the match commisionaire.

I would agree that first leeds deserve a warning but the fact they deserve one according to the rfls respect policy can be in no doubt.

And yes complaints should be made about the warrington game and all other games featuring abuse of players and officials now that the rfl have set a precedent. We cant have some forms of discrimination ignored or some clubs let of, all should be punished eqaully if the rfl is to prove it has no agenda.

I'm glad you said that. So now I take it you also think that Cas should be penalised further after yesterday's match? I was at your game yesterday, as I am at the majority of your home matches, and you can not get away from the fact that the crowd were singing "the referees a w@n*er", can you now? Nor can you get away with the constant singing of "we all hate Leeds scum, we all hate Leeds scum", along to the music after every score, can you now? where will it stop? I noticed quite clearly a piece of scum walking out of the ground in tears after that 4th try.

So we're going to complain about every game then?

The only ones singing anything about the referee were the hudds fans



And no one sang anything about leeds. I dont think you were there, i think you are lying.

The rfl have now set a precedent, unless there is a bias all club should be treated eqaully.

No, you are just putting your head in the sand. I was there and the "we all hate leeds scum" is sung everytime after a try is scored, not just at this game at all games.

And you were most definately singing "the referees a w@n*ker" after Shenton had a certain try incorrectly taken back for a scrum.

Am I pathetic enough to put an email to the RFL to tell them this? am I balls, as I couldn't care less, I would rather leave the clubs and the RFL deal with these things than worry myself over silly conspiracy's.

Where were you stood when you heard this then?

I was there and heard none of this which you say you heard.

If you couldnt care less why are you arguing about it on an internet message board?

This thread is about whether or not the rfl will apply the rules to all clubs in the same manner, which is quite a relevent topic at the moment. The fact is a number of leeds fans seem to think some sorts of abuse are ok but others arent, which is against the whole idea of the respect policy which is supposed to be abpout treating all groups the same.

Heres a question for you do you think some forms abuse are ok and some arent?

And another, should clubs be fined for breaching the respect policy?

I was in the seats, usually I am in the boxes. And it was clearly evident, you are just choosing to ignore it for the sake of it.




I am pointing out how silly you all sound in trying to say chanting at Leeds on Saturday was the same as you had got in trouble for. I prefer to leave it to the authorities and the clubs to deal with.



Homophobic chanting is exactly the same as racist chanting, and has been dealt with the same way for years. It is dealt with the same way in society also. So yes Homophobic/Racist chanting is entirely different to some other abuse. Or at least society deals with it that way.

Just because you are the first club to reduce it's self to the level of personal homophobia does not mean you should be allowed to get away with it. Chants hear previously of this nature were banter against players who it was clearly known where not gay. You were chanting on somethign where it was known to all that the player concerned was gay, and therefore it was personal abuse.



How do you define the respect policy? The respect policy to me means no racist/homophobic chanting at players of a ethnic or sexual preference. The referees element is clearly defined in relation to the players. But in relation to the fans it is that the referee is to feel safe at all times.

Only one club I recall has made a referee fear for his safety, and again only one club I recall has been investigated for homophobic chanting.

Banter at referees has been going on since the game began, and it is clear at all sporting events. So it's hardly likely the ruling bodies will take action against a banter at a referree. Making that ref fear for his safety however, should and will be actioned on.

I don't think you were there either.
The crowd did not 'BOO' the ref until he had sigalled our feed at the scrum re Shenny.
And there was no 'we all hate leeds' chant at anytime.

We too are not bothered about which teams are dealt with, just saying all must be done equally in line with RFL respect policy, you must agree...

Unfortunately when something like this happens as in business Banter=Abuse, all must stop.

And would you like to answer my question, in your eyes are some forms of abuse to players ok and others not? yes or no answer please.

Did you choose to ignore that?



To be fair to you and question you are asking. Yes I do think abuse of a personal nature should be treated the same. And by that I mean Racist, homophobic, Fat, or Ginger, or others of a personal nature.

But you know just as clearly as I do that those are not dealt with the same in society, and by the same token the RFL policy does also not deal with Fat and Ginger comments the same as Racist and homophobic comments. It follows the same as society in general does.

As long as society in general deals that way then why should the RFL act differently upon it?

Perhaps because the respect policy of the rfl isnt that we will punsih whichever forms of disrimination are worse its that we will punish all forms of discrimination.

Since you agree that personal abuse of players is wrong, surely you would agree that the leeds club deserves some sort of reprimand for giving players personal abuse?

How do you work that one out?

How can you be punished for something in the game that is not against the rules of the game?

The rules didn't change you know just because Cas fans kicked up a stink about their own punishment. You were punished within the rules of the game. I have seen enough of your posts to know you are not foolish, so surely you are not daft enough to think clubs should be punished outside of the rules?