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| Quote ="Fully"And as I have repeatedly said - if you READ too - 3/4 - I could not remember. Usually, I could not remember indicates that I was taking a stab in the dark not stating the correct figure. [uTechnology did not prove me wrong as I said the Owen decision was incorrect and nor have I argued that our tries should have been given. You're arguing about things that haven't even been disputed or raised?![/u
As for making the win that much bigger - what the hell? I have never said it should have been; I said it COULD have been much bigger. QED.'"
Quote ="Fully"[uWe did get the decision on Owen granted and perhaps one forward pass from a try [/ubut other than that there was nothing overly major.
As for being the better side, I disagree, [uwe did have 3/4 tries disallowed for various reasons.[/u'"
I won't make any further comment with regards to the two posts above, It was my intention to colour code them so that you can see for yourself your contradicting posts but with the higher education you have received I'm sure you will work out just what parts are contradictory, btw as you get older and a bit wiser you will be able to tell the difference between arguing and debating the finer issues of your contradicting posts hth.
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They are arguing the same point. i.e. the Owen decision went in our favour and one of the tries we scored (that was given) was perhaps from a forward pass.
We did have 3/4 tries disallowed for various reasons - where did I say they were incorrect and should have been given in those posts?
Nothing is contradictory in those at all. Instead of bleating on about an 'education' perhaps you should go back and read the whole thread before commenting?
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| Quote ="Fully"Are you stupid?
They are arguing the same point. i.e. the Owen decision went in our favour and one of the tries we scored was from a forward pass.
We did have 3/4 tries disallowed for various reasons - where did I say they were incorrect and should have been given?
Nothing is contradictory in those at all.
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Its plain to see the education system failed you, don't you ever stop to think what you might have achieved if you had taken more notice of your teachers when you were there
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| Or clearly you can't read.
Was the Richard Owen decision incorrect? Yes - both posts state that
One of the tries we scored (that was given) was possibly a forward pass - nothing to do with what you're arguing with.
We had 3/4 tries disallowed; did I say that they should have been given? No, both posts state that again.
And if you read the last sentence of the second quote, I was actually referring to the post stating you were the better side and I actually made reference to the fact those tries got disallowed to indicate that we were probably the better side - which you have agreed with.
So - highlight me the contradictions in that because as far as I can see, there are none. In fact, the comments all agree.
But you keep arguing - you're only making yourself look silly. Talking of contradictions, what about that massive, glaring one in your change of tack with Bonzo's posts.
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| Quote ="Fully"Or clearly you can't read.
Was the Richard Owen decision incorrect? Yes - both posts state that
One of the tries we scored (that was given) was possibly a forward pass - nothing to do with what you're arguing with.
We had 3/4 tries disallowed; did I say that they should have been given? No, both posts state that again.
And if you read the last sentence of the second quote, I was actually referring to the post stating you were the better side and I actually made reference to the fact those tries got disallowed to indicate that we were probably the better side - which you have agreed with.
So - highlight me the contradictions in that because as far as I can see, there are none. In fact, the comments all agree.
But you keep arguing - you're only making yourself look silly. Talking of contradictions, what about that massive, glaring one in your change of tack with Bonzo's posts.
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The only thing clear to me is that you will say anything bar your prayers and that you make things up as you go along, you are so funny you should do stand up, oh and fwiw please show me the error of my ways with bonzo, I just hope I don't wet myself reading it
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| No point arguing with an unarmed man.
I'm going to save my time and efforts and let you figure it out for yourself but I suspect you'll still be here in a decade.
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| Quote ="Fully"No point arguing with an unarmed man.
I'm going to save my time and efforts and let you figure it out for yourself but I suspect you'll still be here in a decade.'"
Nothing to figure out squire, just admit it your busted, like most things you post its just huff and puff and Iv'e called your bluff, now that's poetry look sharp or you will miss the fun bus
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| Quote ="chissitt"you do not have an argument or even a valid point to make, just an assumption that on the basis the official did not see him rife the ball out it's not a knock on. As well you know I was not moaning about it either, just offering fully an alternative outlook on the game but don't let that stop you from a bit of selective misquoting as with the reference to my thoughts' on the referee I doubt you would be happy with some of the decisions that went against us had the situation been reversed, but the point I was trying to get across to you unsuccessful as it was that these things happen in the game and the best thing to do is accept them and move on which you clearly have not, I do hope I have put my point across to you without contradicting myself too much, but I'm sure there will be some thing in there for you to turn into another pointless post.'"
If you're prepared to accept incompetence and inconsistency then so be it - I guess being a Wakefield fan it's something that comes naturally to you whether you're considering players or match officials. I think the game is better than that and want to see it improve.
Quote ="chissitt"twenty one words and two smilies and you still had to edit your post
Your out of your depth here son, having said that though you would be out of your depth in a car park puddle
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It's rather evident that you've lost the plot somewhat, since whilst other posters are being steadfast with their argument and keeping to the thread, you've resorted to making it personal with everyone. I seem to remember a year or so ago you said weren't going to bother coming back after this happened on previous occasions. Perhaps the younger chissitt was a wiser troll than you.
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| Quote ="chissitt"Nothing to figure out squire, just admit it your busted, like most things you post its just huff and puff and Iv'e called your bluff, now that's poetry
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| Quote ="Bonzo"If you're prepared to accept incompetence and inconsistency then so be it - I guess being a Wakefield fan it's something that comes naturally to you whether you're considering players or match officials. I think the game is better than that and want to see it improve.'"
Is that a considered guess or just a wild guess, its a bit of a tongue in cheek comment though don't you think? coming from a Castleford fan who for quite a few years have had to accept at best mediocrity.
Quote ="Bonzo"It's rather evident that you've lost the plot somewhat, since whilst other posters are being steadfast with their argument and keeping to the thread, you've resorted to making it personal with everyone. I seem to remember a year or so ago you said weren't going to bother coming back after this happened on previous occasions. Perhaps the younger chissitt was a wiser troll than you.'"
Iv'e only replied to 3 posters on the subject and I don't recall making any personal remark towards you, and as for Fully its clear he does not know if he's coming or going with his inconsistent posts', I can however understand your need to take him under your wing and protect him from the unscrupulous posters what come on here picking faults with his contradictory posts, especially how he looks upon you as a father figure, as for our friend allmat I did at one stage put him on my ignore list, if you look at his posts they are all aimed at me personally as is his last few posts on this thread, however don't let that get in the way of you having a cheap dig, oh and fwiw perhaps a younger or older chissitt is far too wise for you, because one things for sure my backside won't be hurting from you kicking it
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| There is nothing inconsistent about my posts. You just can't read, there's a difference.
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| Quote ="chissitt" one things for sure my backside won't be hurting from you kicking it
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It probably aches enough from sitting driving a van all day, Squire.
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| Quote ="Bonzo"Since when was the ball going backwards a knock-on? He ripped it backwards, it moved backwards, no problem.
I don't think Wakey fans can be disgruntled with the officials - Kear says you didn't get the rub of green. Fair enough, you didn't for about ten minutes; you did for the other 70 with unpunished laying on in the tackle, facials and elbows on the floor, etc.
There was however one glaring inconsistency, that being the penalty that gave you the 30-28 lead. I've absolutely no issue with the penalty being awarded - it was daft (by McGoldrick again) and a clear penalty. The issue is that interference with the first marker wasn't dealt with at all during the game and Cas were subjected to it two or three times per set every time Wakey were in posession. If we're going to punish these things and try and clean up the scrappy ruck (the current disease of Super League) then let's be consistent about it and deal with it from the kick off, rather than letting it escalate to a point where it might decide a game in the last ten minutes through frustration and stupidity.'"
talking about consistancy how was youngquest yellow carded for holding down for a shorter time than a wakey player did when we broke and were on there line, no wonder he looked confused.
As for the whole game we were very poor and could have easily thrown the game away, two of the tries we (rightly) had chalked off as forward could have easily been scored with a legal pass, but at the end of the day we got 2 pointgs with a patchwork team and 4 frontrowers out. Hopefully jackson, arundel and clarke will all be back next week.
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| Quote ="pyeman"talking about consistancy how was youngquest yellow carded for holding down '"
I think that was because he did it straight after Mr Silverwood had called out both Captains for persistent infringements and issued a final warning - Youngquest left him with little choice.
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| Quote ="bren2k"I think that was because he did it straight after Mr Silverwood had called out both Captains for persistent infringements and issued a final warning - Youngquest left him with little choice.'"
Doesnt explain why cas didnt get a penalty when a wakey player held down longer, if that wasn't a penalty then there is no way that the youngquest incident should have been a penalty no matter how many warnings have been issued. This sort of inconsistency is exactly the problem most people complain about.
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| Quote ="pyeman"Doesnt explain why cas didnt get a penalty when a wakey player held down longer, if that wasn't a penalty then there is no way that the youngquest incident should have been a penalty no matter how many warnings have been issued. This sort of inconsistency is exactly the problem most people complain about.'"
It is indeed, but given that your winning try resulted from a player stepping into touch and Mr McThugrick should have left the field, I don't think you've got too much to complain about.
I agree with the general point though - there really is no excuse for the kind of inconsistencies we're subjected to on a weekly basis; ironically, we seem to be two teams who have suffered more than others - our curtain raiser at MW was an absolute shambles, thanks to Mr Childs.
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| Quote ="bren2k"It is indeed, but given that your winning try resulted from a player stepping into touch and Mr McThugrick should have left the field, I don't think you've got too much to complain about.
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If your talking about the owen incident (which wasn't the wining try) he did step into touch but a penalty for a high tackle took precedence, it was a fairly harsh penalty, but owen had suffered a couple much worse earlier in the game which had gone unpunished so its swings and roundabouts.
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| Pathetic point scoring arguments are causing this board to lose members. I for one am thoroughly sick of it.
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| Firstly, how Chissitt hasn't been banned from here I don't know. Having to read his posts really degrades the forum, and I would imagine puts many genuine fans who want to join in with reasoned discussion off logging on here.
The game at the weekend seemed pretty straightforward to me. Both teams were poor defensively. The result could have gone either way. The penalty awarded to Cas for Tadulala making contact with Owen's head was correct (yes, he was ducking; yes, it was probably not intentional but the rule is clear - ANY contact with the head/neck during the tackle is a penalty even if the tackler is simply 'careless'). As foul play over-rides technical infringements (going out of play) and penalties are awarded for foul play even when the ball is dead, the referee was clearly correct to award the penalty.
However, the game could have gone either way. Castleford should count themselves lucky, and Wakefield unlucky. Maybe a draw would have been a 'fair' result but that's sport for you!
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| When all said and done, if our winger had copped a crack on't 'ed like that I would have been calling for a penalty. Both sides should accept that in a very even and hard-fought contest Cas edged it - it could have been the other way, but it wasn't. Cas have the bragging rights until next season, and we can look forward to another cracker as we try and get them back.
I'm fed up of fans from all teams having what they think is a forensic analysis of key moments, but in reality is using super slo-mo of a split second moment out of 80 minutes play to show why 'we wuz robbed'. And, when someone DARES to offer a slightly different view, we get the playground bitchfest which is NOT in keeping with the attitude of the people who care most and are directly involved - the players! They pick themselves up, grit their teeth, shake hands and acknowledge the efforts of the other team, win or lose.
The worst thing is, you can't reason with them! Even if the 'opponent' is a moderator, reasonable(usually!) AND has more than an average fans knowledge of the game it just carries on!
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| Quote ="Therailwayendisuponus."Pathetic point scoring arguments are causing this board to lose members. I for one am thoroughly sick of it.'"
One of the reasons why I don't post as often as I used to, every thread seems to degenerate into petty squabbles. You can't raise any point/issue without someone retorting with personal insults instead of a having a rational debate. This applies to 'supporters' of most clubs including our own.
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| Quote ="ParanoidAndroid"One of the reasons why I don't post as often as I used to, every thread seems to degenerate into petty squabbles. You can't raise any point/issue without someone retorting with personal insults instead of a having a rational debate. This applies to 'supporters' of most clubs including our own.'"
I agree completely, I try and post as balanced as I can and just ignore the petty personal stuff now, I like other people's balenced view of what they consider the reality of a situation is..... of course if they don't agree with me they are simply trolling morons and if they do agree with me then thats perfect and whats more they are right!!!
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| Quote ="ParanoidAndroid"[uOne of the reasons why I don't post as often as I used to[/u, every thread seems to degenerate into petty squabbles. You can't raise any point/issue without someone retorting with personal insults instead of a having a rational debate. This applies to 'supporters' of most clubs including our own.'"
Its a shame really, there must be quite a lot on here so disappointed
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| Quote ="ParanoidAndroid"One of the reasons why I don't post as often as I used to, every thread seems to degenerate into petty squabbles. You can't raise any point/issue without someone retorting with personal insults instead of a having a rational debate. This applies to 'supporters' of most clubs including our own.'"
Usually resorting to insults means that person is losing the debate.
Thats why I am immune to insults.
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