I also wanted boyle to stay but the club offered him a new contract and he turned it down, what more can they do?. Of course he was itching to play all young players are the same, and at the end of the day he played 11 times last season, something that alot of 21 year old props would have been happy with at other clubs. you say he never had a chance but he has made 58 appearances for the club, once again many young props at other clubs would haven been over the moon with that many games. sam burgess and ryan both made there debuts in 2006 (burgess earlier on in the season) burgess made 80 appearances for bradford ryan made 58 for cas in the same time period, and burgess only really had to compete with lynch in the pecking order for most of that time, boyle has had, sarge, huby, nutley in front of him. theres not that much differance in 22 games in 3 years (especially when you consider the bulls have had more games with better cup runs and the playoff (as well us having a much shorter season in nl1).

Burgess was out injured for a long spell so that isn't a fair comparison. Lets not forget the division which a lot of Ryans appearances came in. If Boyle had been given more game time in the top flight, which in my view, he deserved, then we would not be having the discussion about needing another prop.

Compairing Ryan to Sam is soooooooooooooo way off the mark. a local lad with the ability to have a great forward career who needed game time to develop, against one of the most highly rated players in the league today someone so good he's going to australia to ply his trade with the best.

As i recall burgess only mised about 7 games, as his injury came near the end of the season, and boyle has had injuries too, just no long term ones. Whats more as i've already said with with us being in nl1 (with a shorter season) and having more playoff and cup games burgess would have had the opportunity to play in about 20 more games.

My point being his opportunity was given in the top flight, the kid did good.

Ryan was not given the opportunity in the top flight, end of.

If he had, we would not be having the conversation on here about signing more second rate props.

Why is 31 top flight appearances not a chance?alot of 21 year old props would love to say they had that much of a chance.

Interesting. I don't remember stating anywhere that I agreed with the decision to release Boyle. How am I supposed to explain the reasons for it? You'd be wise not to make assumptions about what people have said.

Criticise TM all you like. Just don't moan about getting owned by other board users because you're incapable of providing alternative solutions to the problem that it's your wish to create.

how has any board user owned me over TM....pmsl is that what the board is, a competition of some type of one up manship...jeez

In the post where do I state you do agree with the decision to release Boyle, who's making assumptions there !!!!!!. What i state is we have got rid of a perfectly good prop one who is young and willing and with the chances could have been a great servant to the club, and replaced him with a prop who probably is no better, what i ask is for you, as a TM supporter to give an explanation as to why you think he made the decision to release Boyle. thats it thats all nothing more so please dont twist my post to suit your own agenda.

owned back at ya!

Your comparison was against Burgess and his 80 starts in the top flight.

I'm not going through stats but I reckon there are probably quite a few young forwards with more than 31 top flight appearances over that time period. Maybe Huby and Lynch with us for starters?

Again, my main gripe is that we let the lad go and then I see talk on here about 2nd rate props joining us. If this happens then someone needs a brain transplant.

We didnt release Boyle......he left, not our problem now.

I might get shot for this but....

IMHO 31 apps for a 21 year old prop in super league is plenty to show his metal...and for me he has not shown the promise he did in NL1, compare him to Pitts at Leeds (i would of considered them similar standard).

He didnt play that many games at wakey and got snapped up by leeds, if Boyle would of carried on progressing after his early promise, Leeds would of snapped him up when they had chance, but no he is at Salford which is for me, about his level. We should aspire to be better than that. He will ply his trade well at Salford but he is not a top 6 player.

This seems like a contradiction to me. How the hell should I know TM's reasoning behind the decision?

Although TigerSteve makes some valid points.

In the last two seasons in the top flight (i'm excluding 2006 as boyle made his debut at the end of the season and was behind nutley, ward, sculthorpe, huby and fletcher, and at the time considered to be in the same bracket as payne) there have been 59 competative cas games (54 league, 4 cup, 1 playoff) and boyle has played in 30 of them, he has played more than half the games possible and missed some through injury as well. Now there are some 20/21 year old props that get more than that but not many, most have to wait till there older to get that many games in sl.

Listen i wanted boyle to stay he's a player i rate highly, but at the end of the day cas offered him a contract and he turned it down because he wanted to to be a starting prop, we didnt let him go.

If he wanted to be a starting prop, he would have had to drop down in standard of tem (i.e Salford) This may be the best move for him andin the long run could benefit him. If he turns out some great performances for Salford he could wel be snapped up by a top 6 side next season and then be a starting prop there.

On the David Mills rumour – it's worth noting that Gremlin is also touting him as a signing for Crusaders on their board.

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I'd put money on King going to Wakey, Kear knows him well from his Hull days too

i do like this bit " but no he is at Salford which is for me, about his level. We should aspire to be better than that. He will ply his trade well at Salford but he is not a top 6 player." so wanting so much have we got a top 6 player to replace him????? i'll take a rain check on that one.

Il reserve my judgement until we sign another player as reported.....

So your logic is our good players will be snapped up by Leeds?



All the players we have resigned are top 6 players?



One word for you.......Clayton

Nowt gets past you does it!

Im not saying every good player will be snapped up by leeds....but...

If leeds were looking for a good young prop.....and they knew boyle was on the market then why would they go for Pitts over him?

Maybe because Boyle has found his level at Salford.......but no Cas fans cant see that because hes from Cas he should play for Cas even though he isnt good enough.

Clayton was in the same situation as Boyle, the only difference is he took the cotract offer, Boyle didnt.

And for the record i think Snitch and Jackson are very good signings , Snitch was one of Wakefield best players last year and Jackson was very, very good for huddersfield. Both played for teams that finished in the top six and made a big contributions in getting the teams there so yes 2 top six players signed.

what makes you think anyone else offered clayton a contract, he came back because that was his only option.

He will do a good job for wakey will King....English too

If he stays fit, cant remember last time i saw him play due to him being injury prone.