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| Quote ="Starbug"Which was still used for Leigh in 2004 when we were promoted , how do I know this ? , I along with another club Director had to show an RFL official that we complied with that document the week before the 2004 NL 1 GF
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See … you could provide more support for your argument if you could be bothered.
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| Quote ="Starbug"Which was still used for Leigh in 2004 when we were promoted , how do I know this ? , I along with another club Director had to show an RFL official that we complied with that document the week before the 2004 NL 1 GF
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post the 2004 rules, then post the 2005 rules
Then show me exactly where the RFL changed of the rules, for the benefit of castleford, and show me your evidence,
Can you do that ?????? No because your full of
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| Quote ="tb"so: starbug's case is that the promotion criteria under which we were promoted in 2005 differ from the ground standards laid out in the [iFraming the Future [/i document of 199something or thereabouts. And he offers this as evidence that the RFL changed the rules during 2005 just to benefit us?
It's not the sort of evidence that would fly in a court of law, is it?'"
He hasnt got a case. some people believe their own they spout and he is one of them, He cant back up one thing or by now he would have done.
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| Quote ="Speedy"He hasnt got a case. some people believe their own poop they spout and he is one of them, He cant back up one thing or by now he would have done.'"
Don't forget the bitterness is strong with this one - likes to come by every 6 months or so to peddle this argument and usually gets just about as far. Why he remains so traumatised by it after all this time is a mystery.
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| Quote ="tb"so: starbug's case is that the promotion criteria under which we were promoted in 2005 differ from the ground standards laid out in the [iFraming the Future [/i document of 199something or thereabouts. And he offers this as evidence that the RFL changed the rules during 2005 just to benefit us?
It's not the sort of evidence that would fly in a court of law, is it?'"
Also does anyone seriously believe we would have passed up the chance of promotion for want of sticking some seats in the Princess St..... we were hardly in the same position as Whitehaven whose ground virtually required a rebuild. Talk about clutching at straws to convince ones-self and others that Cas are in SL courtesy of rule-bending.
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| Quote ="tb"See … you could provide more support for your argument if you could be bothered.'"
So you believe me , without a press release from the RFL ?
Yes it would have been ludicrous for the RFL to refuse you admittance back into SL for the sake of 500 seats that wouldn't get used anyway , just as it would/will be ludicrous if you end up being ' demoted ' out of SL for the same reason , stadium criteria for a sport like RL is just a joke , Wheldon Road is more than adequate to host SL games and to potentially provide cas with enough money to be self sufficient , and by the same yardstick , Hilton Park was more than adequate to do the same for Leigh before we put the extra seats in
Filling the bloody things should be the priority
I'll leave ' Speedy ' to his [size=150SHOUTING[/size now , and will never again mention the subject of how the RFL changed their own rules to accomadate Cas;s return to SL , lets face it Mr Lewis stated that Cas were ' a SL club in all bar name ' , didn't he ?
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| Quote ="Starbug"lets face it Mr Lewis stated that Cas were ' a SL club in all bar name ' , didn't he ?
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Wasn't that Richard Wright?
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| Quote ="Gazemous"Wasn't that Richard Wright?'"
No , it was Lewis
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| Quote ="Starbug"No , it was Lewis'"
Ahem...[url=http://www.pontefractandcastlefordexpress.co.uk/news/local/ackworth/163_1million_derby_showdown_1_1220894Richard Wright in Ponte and Cas[/url
"If we do go down, we'll stay a Super League club in all but name."
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| tbf to 'buggy (which isn't easy ) - yes, when licensing was first mooted in 2005, Lewis cited us as an example of a super league level club currently in the National Leagues (which was immediately seized upon by various fans of other clubs as evidence that we were Richard Lewis's lovechild and they'd do anything to get us back into SL. Which is mildly interesting given many of our own fans view of Mr Lewis and the RFL now)
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| Quote ="tb"tbf to 'buggy (which isn't easy
) - yes, when licensing was first mooted in 2005, Lewis cited us as an example of a super league level club currently in the National Leagues (which was immediately seized upon by various fans of other clubs as evidence that we were Richard Lewis's lovechild and they'd do anything to get us back into SL. Which is mildly interesting given many of our own fans view of Mr Lewis and the RFL now)'"
See I'm always right , and you know it
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| Quote ="smoking monkey"Also does anyone seriously believe we would have passed up the chance of promotion for want of sticking some seats in the Princess St..... =#FF0000we were hardly in the same position as Whitehaven whose ground virtually required a rebuild. Talk about clutching at straws to convince ones-self and others that Cas are in SL courtesy of rule-bending.'"
Funny you should mention that , I asked Nigel Wood if they would allow Haven to be promoted 10 minutes before the start of the match between yourselves at the ' Rec ' in 2005 , good match that
The Haven director was happy , saying that was a question he couldn't ask , and was glad somebody neutral had asked it
Nigel just mumbled something about we'll see and changed the subject
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| Quote ="Starbug"Funny you should mention that , I asked Nigel Wood if they would allow Haven to be promoted 10 minutes before the start of the match between yourselves at the ' Rec ' in 2005 , good match that
The Haven director was happy , saying that was a question he couldn't ask , and was glad somebody neutral had asked it
Nigel just mumbled something about we'll see and changed the subject
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Are you a sandwich short of a picnic or what, why post such garbage,
once and for all to put your 2005 theory to bed regarding the rule change for castlefords benefit
"Whitehaven's Recreation Ground falls below Super League's minimum standards with a capacity of less than 7,000 and has only one small, seated stand. But whatever the result of the grand final, they will begin work this month on a new 1,000-seat stand to increase the capacity to more than the necessary 8,000"
[url=http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2005/oct/04/rugbyleague.sportSource[/url
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| Quote ="Speedy"Are you a sandwich short of a picnic or what, why post such garbage,
once and for all to put your 2005 theory to bed regarding the rule change for castlefords benefit
"Whitehaven's Recreation Ground falls below Super League's minimum standards with a capacity of less than 7,000 and has only one small, seated stand. =#FF0000But whatever the result of the grand final, they will begin work this month on a new 1,000-seat stand to increase the capacity to more than the necessary 8,000"
[url=http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2005/oct/04/rugbyleague.sportSource[/url'"
People tell lies , a bit like saying ' our new stadium at Glasshoughton will be ready for 2008/9/10/11/12 season , as I said I wont mention you know what again
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2 The RFL give them the money but dont tell us , ie it's all done sneakily like they usually do
Better that they survive , as I'm sure all true RL fans would not want any club to fold to benifit their own , would they
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2 The RFL give them the money but dont tell us , ie it's all done sneakily like they usually do
Better that they survive , as I'm sure all true RL fans would not want any club to fold to benifit their own , would they
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| Quote ="Starbug"Surely that is better than
1 They dont have any players and cannot contest next years SL [ or is that now your hope as it would all but guarantee your SL place
2 The RFL give them the money but dont tell us , ie it's all done sneakily like they usually do
Better that they survive , as I'm sure all true RL fans would not want any club to fold to benifit their own , would they'"
I thought you were arguing for a level playing field for all.
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| Quote ="bigalf"I thought you were arguing for a level playing field for all.
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Course I am , but I'll bring the spirit level , which just to annoy speedy bring me to another interesting story once when doing a survey at a Chinese gentlemans house , he said I was using a ' spiritual ' level
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| Quote ="Starbug"Course [size=150=#FF0000I[/size am , but I'll bring the spirit level
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| Reading that more closely it would seem that the RFL are just giving some money to the Crusaders early.
"we’ve been in discussions with the RFL, who have agreed to release monies due to the club this week"
So it would seem there not exactly giving them something for nothing, this could well be their sky money for next year brought forward.
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| Quote ="Junglefever"Reading that more closely it would seem that the RFL are just giving some money to the Crusaders early.
"we’ve been in discussions with the RFL, who have agreed to release monies due to the club this week"
So it would seem there not exactly giving them something for nothing, this could well be their sky money for next year brought forward.'"
...thereby postponing the inevitable issues they will ultimately face. Surely the way forward is to try and resolve the issue now rather than borrow from the future. What happens later on when they have less to spend?
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| Absolutely agree with you Bonzo! I wasn't saying that what they were doing was correct, it was just how I interpretated the article.
They either hoping for a sugar daddy to come along and help bail them out or are expecting rather larger crowds than last season! I really don't see either happening anytime soon!
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| For what it's worth, that was my interpretation of the article too - I thought it just worth adding that point.
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| Quote ="Bonzo"For what it's worth, that was my interpretation of the article too - I thought it just worth adding that point.'"
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