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| =#8000FFPhil Bentham not giving Dobson's knock on inside his own 10 from the up and under, KR offside EVERY tackle in the game, grapple tackles galore tells Shenton to "get up" when KR players are all over him, KR get penalties for nothing.
Don't even get me started on Ganson, if Watts' was a try Ainscough's should have been. the RFL are SCUM and are ruining this sport MASSIVE CHANGES ARE NEEDED.
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| Not quite as angry as you being a Leyther but I agree with all comments. If that Harlequins bobbins was given and the Watts 'try' it just shows there are no two refs playing to the same rule book.
Hard done to tonight.
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| they give the decisions as they see fit didnt see all the game but i agree thought the last try decision was shocking but it got me 4 points on the rlfans predictor so im happy at least
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| Cas were ROBBED..What planet is Ganson on... THAT WAS A CLEAR KNOCK ON
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| What about KRs first try given by the video ref dont the rules clearly state the ball must be played by the foot whats point in even having rules!!!!!
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| Watts didn't think he'd scored.
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| I don't think Cas were robbed and it's a shame that the game will be talked about for a couple of decisions rather than a great game of rugby for the neutral. I think the decisions evened out over the game, especially as two of the Cas tries came from forward passes. Well done HKR.
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| Quote ="bigchris"I don't think Cas were robbed and it's a shame that the game will be talked about for a couple of decisions rather than a great game of rugby for the neutral. I think the decisions evened out over the game, especially as two of the Cas tries came from forward passes. Well done HKR.'"
=#8000FFBut 3 KR trys came from: Offside, obstruction & incorrect play the ball and a knock on (the actual try AND in the build up.
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| Quote ="Gaslight"=#8000FFBut 3 KR trys came from: Offside, obstruction & incorrect play the ball and a knock on (the actual try AND in the build up.'"
That's all in your opinion, as I've said a few of your tries were questionable as well. At the end of the day you lost as HKR out battled you at the end and Cas bombed too many chances, now you're trying to blame the ref.
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| Quote ="Gaslight"=#8000FFBut 3 KR trys came from: Offside, obstruction & incorrect play the ball and a knock on (the actual try AND in the build up.'"
I'm a neutral so no horse in this race but where did you get these from? I know what you mean about the incorrect play the ball but, as Stevo & Eddie said, incorrect play the balls litter superleague at present so Ganson would not have been justified in denying a try on that basis. If the obstruction is what I think it is, then it simply wasn't obstruction. Your player tackled the dummy runner and that was very clear. I don't know about the offside as there wasn't an offside possibility discussed and I didn't notice an offside during any of HKR's tries.
The last try was a bit of a strange one in that I didn't know such an interpretation of knock on (or rather not a knock on) existed. I automatically thought that final try was a knock on but it would seem not. Something to do with it not having hit the ground before being grounded, or something (like I said, a strange one).
From a neutral's POV a draw would have been the fairest result as both teams made silly errors during different patches in the match, both teams had varying defences at different times in the match and both teams played some extremely entertaining rugby league at most times during the match.
I always look forward to watching Cas as they always, always produce some great attacking football. But your guys really do have to get over letting sound leads go at home! It must be so frustrating as a Cas fan to watch that happen!
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| Quote ="SaintsFan"It must be so frustrating as a Cas fan to watch that happen!'"
Understatement of all time!
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| Quote ="SaintsFan"I'm a neutral so no horse in this race but where did you get these from? I know what you mean about the incorrect play the ball but, as Stevo & Eddie said, incorrect play the balls litter superleague at present so Ganson would not have been justified in denying a try on that basis. If the obstruction is what I think it is, then it simply wasn't obstruction. Your player tackled the dummy runner and that was very clear. I don't know about the offside as there wasn't an offside possibility discussed and I didn't notice an offside during any of HKR's tries.
The last try was a bit of a strange one in that I didn't know such an interpretation of knock on (or rather not a knock on) existed. I automatically thought that final try was a knock on but it would seem not. Something to do with it not having hit the ground before being grounded, or something (like I said, a strange one).
From a neutral's POV a draw would have been the fairest result as both teams made silly errors during different patches in the match, both teams had varying defences at different times in the match and both teams played some extremely entertaining rugby league at most times during the match.
I always look forward to watching Cas as they always, always produce some great attacking football. But your guys really do have to get over letting sound leads go at home! It must be so frustrating as a Cas fan to watch that happen!'"
=#8000FFThere was no dummy runner, Watts stepped forwards from the play the ball into the Cas defensive line creating a gap for the dummy half to go over and score in, the offside was Cockayne's try the player directly to the left of Dobson was a metre or so in front when the kick was placed. As for the incorrect play the ball, sure it goes un-noticed most of the time, but the video ref CHECKED it and still decided it was legal, when it should have been a penalty on review.
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| Yes we may have been robbed. But I tell you who I blame. Matterson. Get your coat what sort of a coach sends his team out with 16 men and has a young hungry kid sat on bench for full 80 minutes without using him. its hard enough in this league without having to do it a man light.
GO NOW PLEASE
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| Quote ="SaintsFan"I'm a neutral so no horse in this race but where did you get these from? =#BF0000I know what you mean about the incorrect play the ball but, as Stevo & Eddie said, incorrect play the balls litter superleague at present so Ganson would not have been justified in denying a try on that basis. If the obstruction is what I think it is, then it simply wasn't obstruction. Your player tackled the dummy runner and that was very clear. I don't know about the offside as there wasn't an offside possibility discussed and I didn't notice an offside during any of HKR's tries.
The last try was a bit of a strange one in that I didn't know such an interpretation of knock on (or rather not a knock on) existed. I automatically thought that final try was a knock on but it would seem not. Something to do with it not having hit the ground before being grounded, or something (like I said, a strange one).
From a neutral's POV a draw would have been the fairest result as both teams made silly errors during different patches in the match, both teams had varying defences at different times in the match and both teams played some extremely entertaining rugby league at most times during the match.
I always look forward to watching Cas as they always, always produce some great attacking football. But your guys really do have to get over letting sound leads go at home! It must be so frustrating as a Cas fan to watch that happen!'"
Ganson WOULD have been justified in denying it on that basis as that is one of the rules.
As they say rules are meant to be broken and rugby league officials excell at it when it suits their agenda.
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| I'm absolutely disgusted. I don't really want to watch a sport that's as bent as this.
I'm happy to accept losses. I'm happy to admit if we were poor, which we were tonight at times. But I cannot accept decisions like that.
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| Quote ="Gaslight"=#8000FFPhil Bentham not giving Dobson's knock on inside his own 10 from the up and under, KR offside EVERY tackle in the game, grapple tackles galore tells Shenton to "get up" when KR players are all over him, KR get penalties for nothing.
Don't even get me started on Ganson, if Watts' was a try Ainscough's should have been. the RFL are SCUM and are ruining this sport MASSIVE CHANGES ARE NEEDED.
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the rfl got the result they wanted, been saying for years that superleagues bent, it just seems youre all catching on to this fact,
time for us to tell sooopa doopa league to kiss our hairy s and we will get by nicely in the national leagues , where honesty still exists
as for bent ham and his bum chum ganson , scuse me mods but what a pair of s they are
as much as id like to blame tm, he is doing a job against the s/l that no other coach is
im off to get ed now
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| The ref and video ref didnt kick the ball dead 3/4 time(sherwin)
The ref and VR didnt drop the ball 3/4 time when in the KR 22.
The ref and VR dont take wrong options.
We beat our selfs, we dont have any killer insinct and we didnt have a leader out there.
On tv at home cause we lost.
What a player we have for a month, hat trick of tries in his first game and only trained with the club 2 days. Tbh i feel a bit sorry for him cos he played his heart out, pity the over paid australian super star didnt show up to night, he should now go home and lets get a SH who wants to play for cas.
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| Quote ="Tebow is Superman"Yes we may have been robbed. But I tell you who I blame. Matterson. Get your coat what sort of a coach sends his team out with 16 men and has a young hungry kid sat on bench for full 80 minutes without using him. its hard enough in this league without having to do it a man light.
GO NOW PLEASE'"
Who exactly do you think should have come off to allow Thompson to come on? That was comfortably McGoldrick's best performance of the season. After last week, there is no way, failing injury, that Sherwin would come off. Ainscough scored a hat-trick. Wainwright was playing well. Shenton, Evans, Chase? None of our backs deserved to come off today.
I think the reason Thompson didn't get on tonight is he is not a forward, which is what we needed. However, TM had to make the choice to put a back on the bench in case Sherwin did get injured and have to come off. In hindsight, given the heaviness of the pitch and the resulting affect on our forwards (am I right in also thinking that Ferres went off injured as well after the first try?), someone like Netherton would have been great to spell as SR or hooker. Unfortunately, TM cannot see the future. I think he made the right choice in putting Thompson in the 17, and the right choice in leaving him on the bench. He had nothing to add that wasn't already there.
At the end of the day, we had lost that game a long time before that nonsense decision at the end. We should have had it wrapped up by half-time. What was lacking out there today was not a hungry teenager, but an experienced leader to instill some discipline and composure.
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| Quote ="stevo3178"What about KRs first try given by the video ref dont the rules clearly state the ball must be played by the foot whats point in even having rules!!!!!'"
If every play the ball was picked up the play would never get started. Apart from that Im gutted for you. Wanted Cas to win tonight
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| Quote ="yatez74"Ganson WOULD have been justified in denying it on that basis as that is one of the rules.
As they say rules are meant to be broken and rugby league officials excell at it when it suits their agenda.'"
If they denied that try for that reason then surely from this point on every video referee decision should start with the play the ball to see if it was played correctly?
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| Quote ="toastymcb"If they denied that try for that reason then surely from this point on every video referee decision should start with the play the ball to see if it was played correctly?'"
=#8000FFThey used to do that circa the "SL wars" time.
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| Quote ="poppys mum"The ref and video ref didnt kick the ball dead 3/4 time(sherwin)
The ref and VR didnt drop the ball 3/4 time when in the KR 22.
The ref and VR dont take wrong options.
We beat our selfs, we dont have any killer insinct and we didnt have a leader out there.
On tv at home cause we lost.
What a player we have for a month, hat trick of tries in his first game and only trained with the club 2 days. Tbh i feel a bit sorry for him cos he played his heart out, pity the over paid australian super star didnt show up to night, he should now go home and lets get a SH who wants to play for cas.'"
I think that's a bit unfair. I don't think you can knock Sherwin's effort tonight. He was battered about from the off, but he was always involved in the game. I was quite impressed with his defensive effort tonight, he put himself about. Sadly, effort isn't everything. The mistakes you mentioned above didn't come from lack of effort, just lack of ability. He is obviously not 100% but who else can we play? Please don't tell me Brierly would put in a better performance, if Matterson has anything it is a track record of giving young players a go when they are ready. Clearly, Brierly is not ready yet.
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| Quote ="Tebow is Superman"Yes we may have been robbed. But I tell you who I blame. Matterson. Get your coat what sort of a coach sends his team out with 16 men and has a young hungry kid sat on bench for full 80 minutes without using him. its hard enough in this league without having to do it a man light.
GO NOW PLEASE'"
glad im not the only one fuming we played a player short,given ferres was injured too we played most of the game with 15 players.
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| Quote ="braytontiger"glad im not the only one fuming we played a player short,given ferres was injured too we played most of the game with 15 players.'"
I will also refer you to my earlier post.
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| Quote ="peter parker"I will also refer you to my earlier post.'"
jordan is more than big enough to give one of the back rowers a spell infact before the season started the talk was of jordan making a back rower the ways he`s bulked up and grown.even a 10 minute spell would have been 10 minutes rest for somebody else.
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