I dont like to knock our players, but from what i have seen of him this year he would be better off standing with us!! really disappointing so far hope he comes good though

I agree. He hasn't really done much this year to impress me. But I still think we haven't seen what he can do. I think his problem is that sometimes he tries too hard. For example, those ridiculous passes he throws out without even looking who he's throwing to. Most of the time they end up going to ground and we lose 10 metres.

any idea why he went steaming town tunnel faster than he takes ball in?? and why nobody including tm had a clue wot was going on?

Ye, I was wondering that too!?

Rather random???

Disagree.

Playing nowhere near his best but still works really hard and shows flashes of brilliance.

Time will tell, but i expect a lot of people to start looking very foolish soon over their "get on a plane" esque comments

I have heard that he needed to use the loo for a 2!

I think alot is down to his style of play. I have bagged him (i admit to it) on the terraces and said he isnt good enough just yet but i suppose he needs time. I wonder if it is down to him trying to hard. He allways seems to try to be creative at times when we dont needs it EG in our own 20 trying to offload the ball or flicking out a pass to our centre/wing when it would just be better to take the ball up. I think he can be a decent player for us, but i just dont think Terry has found the right role for him. Time will tell i suppose. I have seen on casforum people saying a spell in the reserves would do him good but with injuries biting we cant afford that luxury just yet.

Whilst I agree he hasn't yet played to his full potential, I don't think he deserves some of the criticism he's been getting, I honestly think there are times when he tries too hard - seems as though he's trying to create something special every time he gets the ball. I think we will see the best of him now the grounds are getting harder, I want to see him running out wide, not barging up the middle, reckon he could be devastating, his defence has definitely been ok though, some of his bone crushing big hits have been awesome!
Let's get behind Sione instead of knocking him, I'm sure it will make a difference to him, just look at Rangi Chase now he's playing with confidence.

there is no end product to his game at the mo, when he signed we were told he played like willy manu! i agree with what your saying about running out wide i want 2 see him smashing defences with ball in hand, he has the size!

Unfortunately Danny, this is something quite a few Cas fans are unable to do. Unless our team/players are doing well we find it impossible to support them and can only rip them to bits. After the quins game, we were all shouting for TMs head and that all the overseas players should feck off back home. We've since changed our tone and are happily cheering on the same team we were calling a set of losers. Rangi Chase was being pulled to bits for being no better than Andy Kain and we should get rid. He's now the best thing since sliced bread and those same people are queuing up for his autograph and pretending he always was their favourite player.

Sione will only ever get the support of these players when he is scoring tries and winning games. At the moment he's doing a lot of things right and wrong but he won't get the support he needs from some. Some of our fans think they can spot a SL player from day one, make up their minds there and then and will either support him or pull him to bits from then on no matter what, well until he proves them wrong and ends up a superstar and then they're his number one fan.

I'm not blind to Sione errors, and he's annoyed and frustrated me at times. But i never get the feeling his mistakes have been through lack of effort and effort is something i'll always support. Micky Wainwright is a great example of that. I still think he's not a SL player, or at least no more than a squad filler in a poor side, but he's always a 100% player and plays with heart and effort. He continues to prove the likes of me wrong with his performances, but he gets my support even when he's not making match winning headlines because he plays for Cas and puts in as much effort as he can, and that's all i ask. Sione is putting the effort in but making silly mistakes and giving penalties away. Those are his only faults and both can easily be put right by TM and himself.

Wish i had your rose tinted glasses! if Sione played with the hart of Micky Wainwright i would not be typing this! Has for TM i think is one of the best coach's in the game. and will always support the player's as i have week in week out for the last 27 years and i did say i hope he come's good

Ditto Marshy!
I agree wholeheartedly about Michael Wainwright, he puts his body on the line and never gives less than 100%. No disrespect to Machael, but I honestly thought he wasn't up to Superleague, but I even thought he was very close to being MOM on Monday, along with Shifty and Sarg. Michael's no spring chicken, but he's learning all the time, I thought his positional sense was a real problem a couple of years ago, he seemed to get caught out of position regularly, but he's worked on it and now that part of his game is excellent, his man on man defence is very good (as he showed at Wire), Michael's no slouch but a blistering turn of pace would probably make him into one of the better wingers in Superleague.
As you Marshy, we are a very fickle lot, if only we would get behind such as Sione more, rather than knock him, the guy is a real talent and I feel sure he will become a crowd pleaser if only we give him the chance and get behind him, sing his name as we do Rangi Chase and Mitch Sargeant, make him feel at home.

Your reply is predictable and worthless to me when it starts with this. It's the same tiresome stuff from people who can't deal with the fact others have different opinions. I've blatantly written that i feel Sione is making mistakes but you fail to see this and think i'm just wearing blinkers. Let me know when you can partake in a debate without wanting to take your ball home if someone disagrees, until then i'll just ignore your posts.

I've always been a fan of Wainwright simply because his attitude is always right, he listens to his coach and improves his game. My opinion though has always been that he isn't and would never be good enough for a decent SL side. I'd love him to prove me wrong (which he constantly does) and turn into a first choice SL player because for sheer effort the man deserves it.

On Sione, i think the bold bit is his downfall. Just how in the hell do we get his name into a song!

We do sing his name. Have you not heard about his massive........

Agree with everything Marshy has said on this thread and would just add that Sione looks to be in exactly the same place Vowles found himself during his first dozen games. IIRC Vowles turned the corner with a monster try-saving tackle against Oldham at Boundary Park on the Friday before one of the May Bank Holidays. Sione has the time and ability to repeat that sort of change in fortunes but he shouldn't have to endure the same sort of abuse in the meantime.

good am glad has it my opinion not yours! cant see were i have taken my ball home! just because an not part of the happy clapper gang!

Have you not heard Sione's song...?

I'm all for giving players a chance, but it's been 9 games!

I'm willing to see what he can do - because I still think we haven't seen the best of him. We haven't really seen much so far so thats why people are starting to get frustrated. I think it's to do with his confidence.

Not sure whether this is a serious remark or not. Do you believe 9 games is sufficient to make a judgement on a new player?

No I don't. Thats why I said, "I'm willing to see what he can do - because I still think we haven't seen the best of him." But people think he should have done more in 9 games - thats why they're getting on his back at games.

like i said he only here for one year! won't be long before TM starts looking for next year! really hope he kicks on and i eat my words!! but dont think he will and thats my opinion

I still don't think how Sione has played warrants supporters getting on his back, he's done some really good things in that time and looked a class apart, his tackling for sure - I remember when I first saw him play it was like watching Nikau reborn and he seems to have even more strings to his bow than T had.

I think maybe one of the reason's he's not been performing as we would like, is that he played a number of games at stand off and IMO that didn't work too well, but fortunately TM has now put Rangi there and moved Sione into a position he's much more suited to, in the back row, very different roles.

I think he's a star in the making as a back row forward, but definitely not so as a stand off half, although I think he's been playing more like a stand off in the back row and when he start playing more like a back row, we will see Sione running out wide and ripping defences apart.

As far as the songs go, I can't remember hearing the one mentioned and really I have to say I'm pleased I haven't, if we are going to sing about him, please let it be for how he smashes players to the ground with his big hits and not about parts of his anatomy, the word crude springs to mind.