Beggars belief that we are happy with a BP!! even this squad is easily top 4 material! Batley's squad is a shadow of ours and look at the difference!! I'm not saying rhino is the answer cos I ain't sure but something has to give surely?

Calland in? We've just had nearly 50 points put past us. Time for a change with some fresh ideas. THanks for the memories Matt, but time to go.

So after all that talk about the magical one win which will turn everything around, we've lost twice since beating toulouse. 5 losses from 5 with "Champions" written across our shirt is a bit embarrassing atm. Let's See what happens against the Rams.

I am worried NOW, we can't defend, we dont have a game plan let alone a plan B and we have recruited badly

A complete change with fresh faces including backroom is what is required! We could be in a dog fight to stay up yet as losing is a habit! Changes need making and quick! Delay and we could be in a big hole

Gotta be happy with a bonus point

Widnes is in your back yard LR? why you not go?

Had to work late today - it's always hectic at ours before bank holidays.

Drip, drip, drip........
Its all gonna end in tears, rotten.

I can't comment on the game cos I wasn't there so I'm not going to try to defend the coach or players. But does anyone else find it frustrating that we can score the points. They've gone away and scored 36 - how many teams score that many and lose? Not many. We scored that in Toulouse and won. Something isn't clicking within the team...

after the disastrous off field events of 2010;

no pre-season £(x)
Early NRC exit £(x)
Sponsor going bust £(x)
Challenge cup debacle £(x)

We had to trim the outgoings and trim the squad (no secret) so out goes, Branno, Maloney, Royston, Tamghart, Wrench (retired) and in come cheaper less effective players SO WHY IS EVERYONE SO SUPRISED??

Mid table will be a good season and the rebuild for 2013 can begin....

Interesting that these 3 players always get mentioned as the core of last years team but what about larder and wrench? Unsung experienced players who are surely missed also

Yep.

All efforts must now be on avoiding the drop. Yes - it's a far cry from 2010 but I'm expecting a tough fight this year to keep our heads. It's going to be a tough 5 months.

The squad we have should still be doing better look at Batley they are miles ahead of us

Rubbish!! Firstly pretty much the starting XIII is not far away from the GF team and you nay need look at the Batley squad and you still think were mid table at best?? Name me 6 sides with a better squad in this division! I can think of maybe 2 or at a push 3

hand on heart who would KH pick from Fax over his current Batley team ;

Forwards - Beswick
Half backs - Black
Backs - None

2 PLAYERS!

Am watching Bullocks on pi in the sky. They play to big their forwards and worries me since we cant defend champ forwards. They make mistakes in close defence but doubt we will get anywhere near line. I hate to say it so soon , but we need new blood off the field. MC, fall on the sword.

moved up the table again.

I think your sadly mistaken!! 80% of this side has a GF medal! As a coach in this league wouldn't you want a chance to work with those players! Rhino would want more than 2 of our squad I'm sure!! Cmon get a grip man

ok then...who? which players?

face it were mediocre!

We're not mediocre, we're massively underperforming. And that's down to the coach. Batley are doing the opposite, playing above their means.

but you are qouting this on current form not ability. if karl was at fax im sure he would love the squad we have and not need many new faces as im sure they would perform for him and we would be where batley are and be unbeaten. come on bod sort it before the boat sinks again after years of hard work

Pathetic Fax. Seriously disillusioned by that. Where is the defence, gameplan and commitment? The last few games reads with points against:

Widnes 47 Leigh 32 Toulouse 26 Sheffield 41. We have the second worst defence and nothing has changed. Attack is usually off the cuff Rugby rather than a planned move. Either the Coaching is wrong or the players are not responding to the coaching. I do feel that we have come to the end of the line with MC. He has achieved alot with Fax but sometimes after a few years a change is needed. Now is the time to make changes not with a couple of games to go and us needing wins to stay up! Very disappointed as Widnes were there for the taking but we couldnt even get up for them. I am dreading Mondays game and fear another loss.