Charlie will be at the Fax V Tolouse game tomorrow ,hope the weather is good ,remember I'm predicting a Fax win.

HAHA.

Dual-reg could have made the difference today. Start using it Marshall as we have a weak squad, as per my previous post.

It's a results based sport. Use your best 17 available. No time for sentiments.

Fair enough, crap ref, crap touch judges, but we are clueless how to score against top 6 opposition

fax were not great but the ref and touch judges were dire
give shoulder charge against fax under posts near end. few minutes later Toulouse player goes in with shoulder and ref says it was fair. yet same player fell to floor and when got up had to go straight off with dislocated/broke shoulder it looked.
had fast track Toulouse to SL as fast as can look.

Away on holls and followed it on Fax twitter, sounded controversial.
Team sheet looked to have a few changes and losing Calahane early won't have helped.

Marshall says hes not too despondent after today,well i,m sorry but he should be we were dire in attack.Why he left Barber out I dont know,he could have covered a few positions,Jonston is not good enough,He seems to rate Robinson but not seen him have a good game yet.defence was strong today but we have nothing in attack.

Ref and linesman poor and in a low scoring game is crucial. But we were poor at dummy half. Big difference after last few weeks. Tangata is is not a second rower and we missed his impact off the bench especially with calahane being injured. And need need another half back. Johnno not up to it, wasn't any better last week but we go away with it then.

I'm not one to blame a ref (normally ) but he lost us the game. Terrible, terrible reffing. I sit near the corner where 'that' was. I did not see the ball grounded at all. Also, when the try was given it was right in the corner. When the conversion was taken is was about 1 meter in form the side line! Just one grumble of many today. It's a game I felt we should have won

Cannot blame the ref. Marshall, or his superiors are to blame for not providing a best 17 available. See Leeds played the Fev dual reg players, then Fev lose at home. RESULTS BASED. The diehards will turn up, with or without dual-reg. It needs utilising if we are to get anywhere above Dewsbury, Sheffield and Bradford.
In fact, Bradford will probably end up keeping us in this division for this season, at least.

Kaye, superb defensively, shocking moving his troops forward.

These are the games we need to win. Toulouse have been smashed in every away game this season.

Our lack of recruitment in the off season is already showing. The players we signed ended up bailing and not being replaced. We can't expect to compete by not adding to the squad that ended last season so pitifully.

Let's not be too proud to use loans and DR - much as I hate DR - before the season becomes a relegation battle every week

Charlie was there today, and some will blame me tipping Fax for a win as the reason Fax lost.Here is my neutral verdict on the game,the Ref wasn't to blame ,BOTH Toulouse tries were debatable, could have gone either way, I didn't think the Toulouse player got to the ball for the first one , but the Touch Judge did which is why after a consultation with him the Ref gave it a try, for Toulouse second try it was possible any one of 3 passes were forward ,again the same touch judge said it was a try,and he was very close to both .
All in all I enjoyed the game , but the conditions didn't help,both teams did their best, agree about Calahane being missed, but I think Toulouse just edged it in deserving a win.
This is an unbiased view, I did enjoy the game, it was 2 points lost, no Hudd Shay, one thing I noticed, about the crowd was very very few Youngsters at the game, cmon Fax you should be doing everything possible to get them through the gates.With London at the Shay next week it will probably be another defeat for Fax, I will top London to try and help.Charlie once again knows ball all.

that's problem with DR, take them away and fev a different team. lets have level playing field.
scrap DR.

No. The level playing field has to be dual-reg, utilized ruthlessly, or we will get left behind.

We have a reserve team for the "not good enoughs".

£17 to £20 to watch an amateur end of pier show? Come on directors. The club is dying.

Can't fault the effort today, the Toulouse reaction to the final hooter said it all, they grabbed two points where the spoils would have probably been more justly shared if effort was rewarded instead of tries and goals.

Adam went well, Boyle too, Sharp looks our number one. The lads put in a huge defensive effort and deserve a large orange for their efforts.

On a more ruthless and honest note though, Scott Murrell looked a couple of yards off the pace, and Johnnos late decision to scoot and fling out a silly off load cost us a match winning position. It's an obvious thing to say but if O'Brien had been fit I think we would have won today, and I think he would have been smart enough to leave the hollywood stuff for another day, and would have set up a drop goal attempt.

I cant lambast people for doing their best and trying, but we are very much lacking guile in the halves and hooking positions. We just need one class halve or hooker for me, a Penky, O'Brien, I'd even settle for a Holroyd, someone who can take charge and make a difference.

Having said that, when Rob, Grady and Brandon Moore come back I think we'll have a bit more threat, and that may paper over a few cracks, we can still sneak in the top 4, but we might have to start nicking wins against London and Featherstone to do that now, and we have to start turning close games into wins, get over the line, win ugly as thy say.

Today was a darn sight better than mount pleasant, they are showing fight and team spirit, that's all we can ask, for now.

I gather the Toulouse player did get a finger to the ball, whether it was downward pressure or a glance I have no idea, but if he did get downward pressure then Gerard Depardeiu need not be concerned that France has a new acting sensation. If he didn't then I would expect to see him at the Cannes film festival for a superb portrayal of someone celebrating scoring a try.

Top 4? Are you having a laugh?
Watched Fax 30 years home and away.
Dewsbury and Sheffield are worse.
Bradford minus 12 will keep us in the league.
We are that bad. All down to money.

There is none, and the best talent can bugger off for nowt, like Rawsthorne.

Toulouse looked a more organised attacking outfit, but to me they were out on their feet and only managed one big set set in the final 20 mins, I'd say a draw would have been a fair result. Agree re the ref, he gave us a few penalties on players advice, and he got the Boyle incident spot on, well done Ryan for taking a slap and stepping away.

As for the juniors, a skint club, awful weather, an inconsient side, Super Sundays and hamburgers like place mats, I cant blame em for staying in and playing GTA, Call of Duty and Minecraft now and then. Plus if they haven't got parents who can buy season tickets they are unlikely to want to lose their pocket money watching average 1970's rugby.

What I did notice about today's games was the effort and enthusiasm of Ben Kaye he ia a human dynamo,after every tackle and Toulouse forced error he was trying to lift the team ,and even encouraging the crowd to get behind the Fax lads, for me Murrell is past it,both Fax halves failed to create anything, but the conditions were terrible.I stand by my 7th place prediction.

Well I've watched fax for over 30 years too lol and we've been worse, top four is a push, but aside from both Rovers and London there are a lot of average sides this season that will be nicking points of each other one week and capitulating the next, someone will sneak in, probably Batley, but this is possibly our most important season in a decade, so ill remain positive and hope they can over achieve.

Luck plays a part.
That's how we made the top 4, then crap.

The crowd plays a part as well
that season we made the 4, the fans helped the team step up an extra gear imo (like chanting even when the opposition scored)

Sadly that has dropped off due to us not making the 4 last season

Aww come on !



Is that the worst decision of the afternoon ?



You should've seen the try off the outrageous forward pass at Rervers yesterday .....

As has been mentioned DR makes it a non level playing field but we have to do whatever it takes to succeed while we have the non level playing field. Look at Fev, Sharp raving before the season how he would give Fev players a chance in the early games but as soon as DR players made available he snapped Leeds hand off because he knows their players are better than what he has available. Take away the dual reg like yesterday and Fev are no longer a sure thing for the top 4. As on the other thread I have no preference to where players come from who play for us and if better is available then we should use them.

I have no affiliation to any BOD member, coach or particular player.

A question I ask myself regarding them all is if the BOD aren't doing a good enough job then who else is waiting in the wings to take over, can anyone name someone else, anyone prepared to do the job yet alone the multimillionaire that it would take and even then no guarantees.

If RM isn't good enough to do the job then who could we get that is guaranteed to do a better job, can anyone name the person.

If certain players aren't good enough then who could we get that is guaranteed to do a better job, can anyone name them.

The fact is that no millionaire is waiting to come in.

There are no really top line coaches that are waiting to come in, it's just the same ones who are out of work for a reason to choose from.

There are no star players waiting to come in, it's just the same ones who are of Championship standard to choose from.

All the clubs at this level just keep changing places over any given time and occasionally one or two take their place at the top, have a half decent run for for a short time before slipping back again.

The problem is as you touch on, we go fully down the DR road and play a number of fringe Salford players, what is to say these fringe players are any better than what we have?
What happens when Salford recall the players?
What happens to the Fax players who are being left out at their expense?
DR has been introduced primarily for the benefit for the SL clubs, not the Championship and if "used to the full" by more and more Championship sides will mean the SL clubs are the masters of us all.
Using Fev in your example any seeming benefit that a Championship club gets is purely short term at best for them, the danger is that other clubs who loose games against the hybrid teams could suffer much longer term damage as they struggle on.
Before the Cas game it was said to Brian Mac that at least the players coming in from Fev would be match fit, he replied "Yes and this is what DR is all about, in his (and others eyes) DR and thus the Championship is there just to keep their players match fit.

DR should be removed with a maximum of 2 loan players allowed.
SL clubs should have the means and responsibility within themselves to look after the players they sign at every level and not be allowed to abdicate that and farm out anyone "they" choose when "they" want so "they" benefit.

Interesting article by Craig Harrison in this week's Express.

Just saying what we all knew - youth policy is non-existent.