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| Quote ="Tony Fax"I can guess which one is which, MM! Personally, whereas I understand the frustration and horror what's going on at the moment, we can't keep going mental and chopping and changing everytime we hit a bad spell, it's ridiculous! At least give Calland the full season to show what he's made of. Patience .... it's a virtue .....'"
But the problems from last year when we collapsed- Poor Defence, Poor Discipline, Poor Leadership, No Confidence etc are still there. After a full off season and nearly 2 months in to the new seaon we look just no different to the slump last year. For me, no real work has been done to sort out our problems over a 6 month period. All that has been done for me is to bring in some old heads etc rather than sort the problem out with individuals and as a team. Our team is top heaby age wise in the forwards. The players have to shoulder the blame alongside the coach. But the Coach is responsible for the team, its tactics and signings (Who he wants). Its these areas which concern me.
I also must question some decisions-like playing an out of form Goddard in the Second Row or shoving Penky in at 6 when he cant play there. If we had a 2nd team we could use Fringe players who are Match Fit. We could drop players and promote those playing in form. We would have somewhere for young local players like Fleming who is forced to play on loan. We have the best amateur team in the Country at Siddal, but how many youngsters are going to sign for Fax when we have no proper Academy or Reserve team to play in?.Its All these things that make me feel Calland is not the right person and the club needs to look at things in the bigger picture not just over this season.
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| Quote ="Tony Fax"who'll make an immediate impact when he starts somewhere afresh, but once he gets his feet under the table ..........'"
Now who does that remind you of at the moment...
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| Quote ="jeffvickers"I think a "back to basics" approach is needed for the Toulouse game, good set of 6, play percentages, target weak links, cut out needless penalties, get Black & Penky to cut out the bullet passes. If we can do the basics right, there may just be a little team cohesion.'"
Absoutely. We need to turn in to Whitehaven (or at least the way I've always percieved them to play) and build on it.
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| If we scrape past Toulouse, will he say 'We've turned the corner' ?
If we lose will he say 'We saw some improvements we can build on' ?
The real question is how much longer can this go on. I sincerely hope something is going on behind the scenes to find a solution, and thats more than trying to get an all weather pitch block booking and telling them to work harder, i think work smarter has a lot to do with it, and that goes for the BOD's too. A new coach would re energise everything connected with the club, a breath of fresh air, and few home truths for players wouldn't go a miss.
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| Quote ="justthebasicfax"If we scrape past Toulouse, will he say 'We've turned the corner' ?
If we lose will he say 'We saw some improvements we can build on' ?
The real question is how much longer can this go on. I sincerely hope something is going on behind the scenes to find a solution, and thats more than trying to get an all weather pitch block booking and telling them to work harder, i think work smarter has a lot to do with it, and that goes for the BOD's too. A new coach would re energise everything connected with the club, a breath of fresh air, and few home truths for players wouldn't go a miss.'"
If we lose the next 2 it will be game over!
A loss to Keighley on SKY would be a frightening outcome, our fan base would drop by a 1/3 over night.
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| Right, first things first. Something needs to happen down at the club, otherwise we are going to find ourselves losing fans, dropping league places and losing the respect for our SL bid.
Do we sack the coach?! I don't know. Yes, we all know the "off field" things that have been going on with him, Blackpool, Toulouse, Jacks et al do all speak for themselves. But he has taken our team to a grand final, something that no other coach has. Up until 2 weeks ago, everything on the surface was fine and dandy.
People, including myself will argue that this has been going on for a while.
Our defense last year was pants, but we managed to outscore teams. Our last tackle plays last year were unstructured and off the cuff, opposition teams have improved and they are defending a lot better. Our forwards last year, did however set some form of a platform for players like Black, Penky and Gleeson to do their thing, something which we haven't had this year.
Are the players playing for their coach? Do they have professional respect for the coach?
2 weeks ago we were top of the league and in all competitions we were entered for. Is it a form blip, or is this run of results and performances the accumulation of 2 seasons of bad coaching and training styles?
On the flip side, to sack Calland would cost the club money, something which we don't need. Also, in Calland we have a young British coach, something that a lot of professional clubs do not have. Should we not be encouraging his development for the good of the game?!
As faxfan said on a different thread, Hall and Calland don't come as a package, and although I do not agree with a lot of decisions that the board have made this season (dual registration, no reserve grade team, investing in old foreign players rather than young british), we need to keep hold of Martin. He attracts quality players to the club and is a good business man. People in RL respect Martin, he has done everything in the game, and despite his alleged behaviour on certain away games last year, I think he is an asset to our club.
As for the players, last night certain individuals simply weren't good enough. I didn't feel cross, or angry like I felt last week, because I genuinely felt they were trying. We were just clueless.
I am no coach, or player of the game, but can you coach forwards to run hard and break tackles?! I thought that would be insitinctive at this level. Yet, in the first half, going down hill, we failed to break tackles. Except Ostick and Maloney, I thought our front row was dire which unfortunately is a trend that we have kept going from last year.
The problem lies in our cohesion, or lack of it. Last tackle plays were poor, with players not knowing what to do.
Penky, Black, Ostick, Maloney and Worrency all stood up last night in my opinion, and appeared to bust their a$$es for the team. It's a shame that the team aren't gelling, and there isn't a solid platform being set by senior forwards.
So, what to do? Booing the players isn't going to do anything for their confidence, and as I have said, there were players on the pitch last night who definitely didn't deserve booing. They looked like lost puppies walking off the pitch last night, and I felt quite sorry for them. They don't appear to have any guidance on the pitch, and by having 5 captains on the pitch at once, there is no clear leader on, or off the pitch at the momment.
Calland on the other hand, is in the firing line, and I'm afraid it does come with the territory. Blaming training facilities is wearing thin, forwards looked slow and unfit, pretty sure fitness first has treadmills??!
I think we should give Calland until the Keighley game and see how we perform. I will always back the club as long as I feel they are giving 100% for the shirt and the fans who watch them. If Calland feels the same way about the club that I do, he will surely inspire the players to fight for us and we will come through this bad patch.
But if the coach cannot inspire the player, then maybe it is time for a change.
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| Quote ="ClaireFAXFAN"Right, first things first. Something needs to happen down at the club, otherwise we are going to find ourselves losing fans, dropping league places and losing the respect for our SL bid.
Do we sack the coach?! I don't know. Yes, we all know the "off field" things that have been going on with him, Blackpool, Toulouse, Jacks et al do all speak for themselves. But he has taken our team to a grand final, something that no other coach has. Up until 2 weeks ago, everything on the surface was fine and dandy.
People, including myself will argue that this has been going on for a while.
Our defense last year was pants, but we managed to outscore teams. Our last tackle plays last year were unstructured and off the cuff, opposition teams have improved and they are defending a lot better. Our forwards last year, did however set some form of a platform for players like Black, Penky and Gleeson to do their thing, something which we haven't had this year.
Are the players playing for their coach? Do they have professional respect for the coach?
2 weeks ago we were top of the league and in all competitions we were entered for. Is it a form blip, or is this run of results and performances the accumulation of 2 seasons of bad coaching and training styles?
On the flip side, to sack Calland would cost the club money, something which we don't need. Also, in Calland we have a young British coach, something that a lot of professional clubs do not have. Should we not be encouraging his development for the good of the game?!
As faxfan said on a different thread, Hall and Calland don't come as a package, and although I do not agree with a lot of decisions that the board have made this season (dual registration, no reserve grade team, investing in old foreign players rather than young british), we need to keep hold of Martin. He attracts quality players to the club and is a good business man. People in RL respect Martin, he has done everything in the game, and despite his alleged behaviour on certain away games last year, I think he is an asset to our club.
As for the players, last night certain individuals simply weren't good enough. I didn't feel cross, or angry like I felt last week, because I genuinely felt they were trying. We were just clueless.
I am no coach, or player of the game, but can you coach forwards to run hard and break tackles?! I thought that would be insitinctive at this level. Yet, in the first half, going down hill, we failed to break tackles. Except Ostick and Maloney, I thought our front row was dire which unfortunately is a trend that we have kept going from last year.
The problem lies in our cohesion, or lack of it. Last tackle plays were poor, with players not knowing what to do.
Penky, Black, Ostick, Maloney and Worrency all stood up last night in my opinion, and appeared to bust their a$$es for the team. It's a shame that the team aren't gelling, and there isn't a solid platform being set by senior forwards.
So, what to do? Booing the players isn't going to do anything for their confidence, and as I have said, there were players on the pitch last night who definitely didn't deserve booing. They looked like lost puppies walking off the pitch last night, and I felt quite sorry for them. They don't appear to have any guidance on the pitch, and by having 5 captains on the pitch at once, there is no clear leader on, or off the pitch at the momment.
Calland on the other hand, is in the firing line, and I'm afraid it does come with the territory. Blaming training facilities is wearing thin, forwards looked slow and unfit, pretty sure fitness first has treadmills??!
I think we should give Calland until the Keighley game and see how we perform. I will always back the club as long as I feel they are giving 100% for the shirt and the fans who watch them. If Calland feels the same way about the club that I do, he will surely inspire the players to fight for us and we will come through this bad patch.
But if the coach cannot inspire the player, then maybe it is time for a change.'"
Very well put post
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| I wonder if the 'Fax fans in the "Strikers Bar" in Tenerife are still as enthusiastic in their support of Halifax - "Come on Shad Lad!" As a Leyther it became a little monotinous being surrounded by the "Yorkies".
See you in November 2010 and March 2011.
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| Some great points raised Claire. As somebody who has played the game for a number of years, I will try and answer some of your points as I see them. I do nozt know everything about the game but these are just my thoughts on your points
Quote Our defense last year was pants, but we managed to outscore teams. Our last tackle plays last year were unstructured and off the cuff, opposition teams have improved and they are defending a lot better. Our forwards last year, did however set some form of a platform for players like Black, Penky and Gleeson to do their thing, something which we haven't had this year.'"
This is why I do not think Matt can take us any further. We have had problems with defence, attitude, Discipline and playing for 80 minutes for many years. Matt has had 2 years to sort the problems out and we are still struggling with these problems. Yes he did get us to a Grand Final-but it was a close run thing with a group of some of the finest players outside SL.
Quote On the flip side, to sack Calland would cost the club money, something which we don't need. Also, in Calland we have a young British coach, something that a lot of professional clubs do not have. Should we not be encouraging his development for the good of the game?!'"
Is Matt costing the club more money though? Out the Rail Cup, People staying away as fed up with the attitude and performance of Matts Players and his comments. A negative is like a cancer, that can destroy much of what is good that has happened at a club. The question is when do you remove the problem?
To be honest I do not care about developing Young British Coaches for the good of the game. The people running the game have not helped the Championship teams, so why should we look to develop Coaches? I want a Coach who gets his team playing with 100% and has a good knowledge of the game. One who has a number of tactics to break a defence down. One that has the players tested and learning all the time. Calland is not doing that for me.
Quote People in RL respect Martin, he has done everything in the game, and despite his alleged behaviour on certain away games last year, I think he is an asset to our club.'"
I see no reason why Martin should go. His job is to bring in quality players. In most cases he has done that. Due to the Salary Cap teams are always going to have players who maybe are not good enough. Other players maybe just do not fit in or simply have been a let down for whatever reason.
Quote As for the players, last night certain individuals simply weren't good enough. I didn't feel cross, or angry like I felt last week, because I genuinely felt they were trying. [uWe were just clueless.[/u'"
If the players are clueless that is the fault of the coach in most cases. The team and individuals should have certain goals to reach-look to complete sets of six with a good kick. Player X should aim to make XX Tackles and XX Hit ups for example. There could be small Individual/team awards/penalties depending. The players should receive a detailed report of the players they are most likely to face in there position. What good and bad points the opponent has. What hand they hold the ball in. Whether they can tackle with the left shoulder well or not,Whether a player can step or not etc. That for me is not happening at Fax
Quote I am no coach, or player of the game, but can you coach forwards to run hard and break tackles?! I thought that would be insitinctive at this level. '"
According to Phil Clarke, Maguire at Wigan has got his players running harder and faster and with more purpose in to tackles both in defence and attack. I also believe you can fine tune players. Better fitness and discipline for example will mean your players can run harder and faster as well as have more stamina. They also have more strength in the tackle and last longer.
This also goes down to preparation. By knowing certain opponents have fitness problems or weaknesses you get your team to work at them areas. So for example if you have somebody who is lazy and gives penalties away after 15 minutes through being tired you target him that you want your forwards to aim at. Also look to aim runners at halfbacks. Partly to tire them out, but also the size difference between a Prop and Halfback is often 15- 20Kg difference
Quote So, what to do? Booing the players isn't going to do anything for their confidence, and as I have said, there were players on the pitch last night who definitely didn't deserve booing. They looked like lost puppies walking off the pitch last night, and I felt quite sorry for them. They don't appear to have any guidance on the pitch, and by having 5 captains on the pitch at once, there is no clear leader on, or off the pitch at the momment. '"
Do not think Booing achieves much to be honest. The players need a strong leader on the field to get them to play how the coach wants. Also to set an example when needed as well as encourage the team and individuals. They need a General off the field who can send the message down when he sees a weakness in his or the opponents team. They need to feel confident that the game plan they have will work most times. They need to feel the Coach knows what he is doing and what he has to do to get the team back on track when the form dips-which happens with every team! If somebody was booing you all the time whilst playing you feel negative and dejected a lot of the time. Plus it adds more pressure on the players when something fails and the crowd just Boo them. I suggest gett behind the players and give them the feeling that we are on their side.
Quote Calland on the other hand, is in the firing line, and I'm afraid it does come with the territory. Blaming training facilities is wearing thin, forwards looked slow and unfit, pretty sure fitness first has treadmills??!
I think we should give Calland until the Keighley game and see how we perform. I will always back the club as long as I feel they are giving 100% for the shirt and the fans who watch them. If Calland feels the same way about the club that I do, he will surely inspire the players to fight for us and we will come through this bad patch.But if the coach cannot inspire the player, then maybe it is time for a change.'"
Calland has brought the players in or kept them. For me he should be backing them not saying "some are in the last chance salloon" even if that is the case. For me a coach should never blast his players in public-that should be done if at all in private. If somebody criticized me on the Radio and paper I would feel sod you. If he said to me privately or in a group in training then I would have more respect for him. I think sadly the time is up for Calland. Even if we do beat Toulouse and Keighley.
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| Unfortunatley it does look like Hall and Calland come as a package and I doubt the BOD would want Hall to withdraw his money afterall hasn't he put more money in to the club than all the other directors combined?
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| Quote ="Greg Florimos Boots"afterall hasn't he put more money in to the club than all the other directors combined?'"
No.
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| LOL, I was waiting for the clamour of admirers to show their appreciation for claire's post .... she rarely posts original stuff but always gets the plaudits ... I wonder why!!
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| Quote ="Tony Fax"LOL, I was waiting for the clamour of admirers to show their appreciation for claire's post .... she rarely posts original stuff but always gets the plaudits ... I wonder why!!'"
She's one smart babe !
AND, she's been missed on here lately
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| Quote ="Tony Fax"LOL, I was waiting for the clamour of admirers to show their appreciation for claire's post .... she rarely posts original stuff but always gets the plaudits ... I wonder why!!'"
Because Greg Florimo's Boots is just too damn ugly. I'd pat him on the back otherwise
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| God, I just love being a halifax fan!
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| Quote ="Tony Fax"There are no "great" coaches in the Championship and we won't entice any either. And I include Millward in that who lost the plot and made a complete balls up at Wigan. Who do you mean when you say a "50+ year old Aussie tactical bloke"?'"
so Ian Millward isn't a great coach, just because of his time at the Pies.
So why are we 'at the other end of the table' this season. Is it because of robbie paul, ricky bibey, & the dual registered players ? That is part of the reason, BUT in our 36-6 win at Toulouse yesterday, 13 of the 17 man squad, were from last season's RELEGATED Squad. Ian Millward is a TOP coach.
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| Quote ="Budgiezilla"so Ian Millward isn't a great coach, just because of his time at the Pies.
So why are we 'at the other end of the table' this season. Is it because of robbie paul, ricky bibey, & the dual registered players ? That is part of the reason, BUT in our 36-6 win at Toulouse yesterday, 13 of the 17 man squad, were from last season's RELEGATED Squad. Ian Millward is a TOP coach.'"
I'm not denying Millward is a very good coach, Budgiezilla, of course he is. But he's a well known "hot head" who'll blow it ....... eventually. If he is a genuine GREAT coach, with the utmost respect, then he wouldn't be coaching at Leigh. Would he?
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| Quote ="Tony Fax"I'm not denying Millward is a very good coach, Budgiezilla, of course he is. But he's a well known "hot head" who'll blow it ....... eventually. If he is a genuine GREAT coach, with the utmost respect, then he wouldn't be coaching at Leigh. Would he?'"
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| Quote ="Tony Fax"I'm not denying Millward is a very good coach, Budgiezilla, of course he is. But he's a well known "hot head" who'll blow it ....... eventually. If he is a genuine GREAT coach, with the utmost respect, then he wouldn't be coaching at Leigh. Would he?'"
no, but WHATEVER he is in your eyes - I'll settle for him being OUR coach.
thank you and goodnight.
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| Quote ="Budgiezilla"no, but WHATEVER he is in your eyes - I'll settle for him being OUR coach.
thank you and goodnight.
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| Seriously, after a superb few seasons, the last 3 games for you, have been a little bizarre to say the least. I really thought the Hunslet game was a one off. But Fax aren't just losing are they, it's 40+ each time ? Surely the squad/coach haven't become 'terrible' overnight.
You've already ticked on of those stupid bl00dy boxes, is Matt Calland under any REAL pressure. Apart from Miles Greenwood, how many other regulars are you missing ?
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| Quote ="Tony Fax"LOL, I was waiting for the clamour of admirers to show their appreciation for claire's post .... she rarely posts original stuff but always gets the plaudits ... I wonder why!!'"
Awwwwww, I love you too!x
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| Quote ="Budgiezilla"Seriously, after a superb few seasons, the last 3 games for you, have been a little bizarre to say the least. I really thought the Hunslet game was a one off. But Fax aren't just losing are they, it's 40+ each time ? Surely the squad/coach haven't become 'terrible' overnight.
You've already ticked on of those stupid bl00dy boxes, is Matt Calland under any REAL pressure. Apart from Miles Greenwood, how many other regulars are you missing ?'"
Injuries are no excuse.
Alright we have missed 2 key players, Gleeson and Branighan but we should be able to cope without these.
The squad available for last 3 games was good enough to turn out good performances but just haven't.
MC is under pressure, the next 2 games are key for him.
The problem IMO is our go forward from the pack, we saw glimmers of it against Widnes but nothing since. Players like Black and Penky cant do their thing without a pack going forward delivering quick ball.
What's the Answer? well Aizue doesn't seem to be it but Ostick is a positive move. We need to delve into the loan market to address quickly IMO.
If MC can address the pack 'go forward' over the next few games we will be a team again, I hope he can. It's too early for knee jerk reactions, the fellas not stupid he just needs a bit of time and luck.
Its all a real shame though as the crowds are starting to swell with the promise of 2010 all this momentum could be lost
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| the last 3 games have been very concerning. not only did we lose all three, we shipped over 40 points in each. right now we are looking like relegation fodder unless someone does something
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