It's important for Halifax to apply for Super League, not to get in but to learn the procedure and expectations for where they are now and where they need to be next time. That is the key to getting the right bid together. (Plus you have to hope that the independant adjudicators really are that!

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I don't think any Halifax fans really expect to get in this time round. However we do have the right to apply now despite the attempts to block any bid by the RFL.

What does a post count have to do with anything?



Yeah but the only reason you have a strong first team is because 100% of your squad budget is going into the first team and first team only. If 100% of Widnes' budget only went into first team I'm positive it would be a different story.

I'm not denying you don't have a right to apply. Would it not make more sense to save the money that it will cost in terms of time invested, documentation produced/printed etc to submit a bid and invest that time and money somewhere where it's more needed? Such as defining a youth strategy or long term business plan?

It's pretty obvious where your short falls are and you don't need to waste time and money on a bid for someone else to point it out to you.

I thought the RFL had made it impossible for us to have a youth policy? We are just one step ahead of the game.

Great move by the club. Now we need to push on and start bigging the club up in the push for SL and start putting pressure on the people that matters. Lets show the RFL what a farce they have turned this in to. Our bid must be ahead of the likes of Cas, Wakey and Salford already?

The RFL have Quashed any hopes of any team in Championship being able to get a youth set up and said widnes are the only ones allowed cause they can afford. As previously stated by others, this is only to help bolster widnes application to get into the corrupt double standard league ( as it is at the moment ).

Great crowd, didn't seem too far fetched to me i brought 3 extra ppl down today, and it appears i wasn't the only onewho did. Well done fax, ive given up on super league all that matters to me is what we do on the pitch there is nothing better than watching your team win, widnes may get the licence but we are having a good ride here, cant wait for the fev game gonna be a classic be good to see a packed post office road. Fev have outplayed us twice this year but we have match winners across the park and a lot to prove!!

That'd be my bid basis for Fax! Not to say we are the best in Championship but to say we are better then these 3!

Well that's what Millward said, no-one else has commented on it!

Why not form a"franchise" system at little cost with the Calderdale clubs-Siddal/Ovenden/Elland etc and use this as a basis for a junior set up.Bulls,Wigan etc raid Calderdale for their juniors any way.RLFC are mad on franchising why not use the same process for our junior development and freeze out the super league poachers!.

The other way widnes have been preparing for super league is by getting beaten lots.

Frankly from their fans attitude, they clearly think they are above everybody else so super league can have them as their new whipping boys.

Let's hope their "phenomenal yoof" don't get too badly broken. We'll be happy paying to see a successful side in a nice stadium, thanks very much.

A mediocre position in this league with players borrowed from super league doesn't bode well for widnes. Enjoy super league and don't forget your calculators - we won't miss your arrogance

Heard from a reasonably reliable source, that rather than the club fudging the figures, we were "told" to from on high so that there would be more than just 1 club [iapplying[/i for a licence. What the source couldn't understand is why we have gone along with this further charade??

Do you know, that suggestion is so ridiculous, but at the same time steeped with RFL stupidity, that it could be true

They have realised 99.9% have sussed the reasoning behind the 5 'new' criteria, so thought they would pretend that there is competition to get in. Whether it is true or not it is quite funny.

Doh! How stupid of me. When the stand was evacuated due to the fire alarm, you made them all go through the turnstyles again

They must have just installed those turnstiles between the pitch and the stand???

How anybody can argue the game is in decline is beyond me.

Fax achieved a great attendance yesterday (Lets hope that can be sustained) and the challenge cup final, has only 1000 tickets left, making it the first sell out since 2007.
Millenium magic taking a new format next year.
Big applause to the Super League/Rfl Chiefs.
Well Done.

Not the view of most luckily! I have enjoyed going to the grounds in the lower divions (especially the Shay) but I am also proud of and confident in our SL bid and long term plans... we are investing in the future of the club and the game and you think this is a bad thing?

Once Fax get youth set up running you'll be a major challeneg to current SL clubs and I hope that day is sooner rather than later

The reason they can afford it is because the budget is not being ploughed 100% into the first team like other teams in this league.



Again as stated above this is because 100% focus is not going into throwing cash at the first team. There is a long term plan in place that is bases around blooding new youth and brining them through.

This will pay off better returns in the long run. We are looking towards the future built around local young talent. Not focusing on the here and now with over the hill journeymen.

Look at Wigan and the development they have in place. A couple of years ago they were fighting relegation, and now they are topping the table with some phenomenal players that have come through their youth system. This will bode them well in years to come as lots of clubs are still playing catch up.

I’m not claiming we have a youth system as good as Wigan, it will take a while to bed in, but the investment is already paying off. You just have look at the results from this year’s under 18 academy league, Widnes are turning over Super League sides left right and centre.

And a number of these under 18’s have featured in the Widnes first team this year (Scott Yates, Tom Kelly, Jack Smith, Danny Craven).



Over the course of this year we have had 7 players on loan or dual registered from Super League sides. Two of which only played 1 game before getting injured (Chaz I’Anson & Chris Dean) so I hardly say they count.

So 5 Super League players brought in to help with cover during an injury ravaged season is hardly over the top?

VIKING JOHN

a profile clearly created by an employee of widnes to post on the Fax board only, this is a fans site, not a propaganda machine for Widnes!

Mods please look in to this poster

5 blokes in an office should not determine who does and does not play in super league, it should be 17 players on a field.

Why should they decide if I get to watch my team have a crack at super league. Tell you what, after the next round of franchises I predict the Championship will dwindle crowds wise even further, surely all this can't be legal? Make a breakaway league and play in the winter I say.

See you're having a positive input into the discussion Jonnie

so you really think the club would waste time registering to discuss with opposition fans?





Last time I checked this is a discussion forum and registered users can post in an forum they please.

The right to post in discussions in this forum are not exclusive to fax fans only. As it's part of the RFL Fans board any registered user can post their thoughts on any discussions they like.

However, I do admit that the original topic on attendance has gone off topic!



I totally agree. However, we will never get back to promotion and relegation until all teams below Super League bring the stadia and club set-up up to standard and that's the sad situation.

my point being VJ

as a viking fan u only seem to be posting on a fax board trying to justfy widnes! and have very quickly got the grasp of wadeing straight in to the topic of the moment! it would not surpise me if u usually post under another profile!

anyhows as u love quoting, quote this one!

where have fax finished this year with there limited budget as apposed to Widnes with there aledged superior stadium and setup, seems all the money in the world did not work for u this season did it!

I usually read these forums but don't usually post on here. I use this site mainly for the fantasy Super League and looking up stats. All my Widnes related posts are on the TIW forum.



Don't have a second account on here and Mods please feel free to verify this by doing a check on IP Addresses.



Clearly you have missed the other 6 pages of this thread and skipped my other posts where I pointed out that the reasons for this is because Widnes have not ploughed 100% into a first team. Since you love my quotes so much here's the quote for your reference

You mean like Salfords Stadium, Wakefield Stadium, Castleford Stadium, St Helens Stadium, Celtic Crusaders Fan Base and attendances, So I tell you rose tinted boy, get a grip.

SUPER LEAGUE LICENCE ANNOUNCEMENT 2009-2011

[uCastleford[/uWhilst well maintained, the ground is limited and old fashioned. However, the club recognise this and has relatively advanced plans for a new stadium. This was 2 years ago, Really Advanced Plans hey.

CELTIC CRUSADERS
Whilst well maintained, the ground is limited and old fashioned but there is a commitment to immediately enhance the current facilities. In the medium term the club recognises the need to develop a new facility and appears to be working with the local public agencies to deliver this.
Like Moving Miles to another ground, Hardly same is it

Salford
Whilst well maintained, the ground is limited and old fashioned. However, the club recognise this and has relatively advanced plans for a new stadium and are on site. Bullsit again

Wakefield
WAKEFIELD TRINITY WILDCATS
Whilst well maintained, the ground is limited and old fashioned. However, the club recognise this and have plans for a new stadium. These are not as far advanced as might be the case despite projected occupation by 2010 and evidence of a Plan B would have been beneficial. Occupation in 2010, Yeah right, again lies lies lies.
I rest my case with the bullsit Viking John, Yet they will stay in, they should all be removed they have had plenty of time to put things in place, Not one out, example set and all out, Widnes, Fax, Fev, Leigh in, Stadiums are fit, except maybe fev, then it would be 3 years of gradually getting in the top 6 and maintaining themselves without getting hammered every week.

so that will be 8 posts now in one day all on a fax board VJ

usually Widnes or other fans would post on their own boards rather than trying to justify there teams inclusion in to super league for their first forays in to posting on a fans forum

your posts and style are far too consise for a first day poster.

and has for your "100% rubbish" its just that, totaly excuse for having a second rate team in this divsion, u were just not good enough to be in the mix

It is not 100% rubbish, as the RFL have stated criteria in the licence bid?Academy set up ,which you should be running and paying for.I prefer have no youth set up and paying for the best team on the pitch.Hey this is boring now because i think the RFL know who they want already.

People seem to have missed the point a little and are now blaming Widnes for the RFL’s rules! There’s a thread moaning that RFL changed goal posts on crowd figure but your chairman has been banging on about it to fans for months!

We know other sides lied on last apps, but it didn’t really effect Fax then so what’s the issue? Make your bid better than there’s and your in!

Moaning whilst your club brings in the likes fo Gene & Aizue rather than paying for an academy side won’t help you though, maybe should look at them if don’t get into SL, not at the time who are favorites to do so and ask why are they so?