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| Quote ="SIMMSFAXTEDDY"remember afew years ago when Leeds utd gambled on reaching the champions league, and dint. Then were forced to attempt to work their way back up from the middle leagues?'"
Leeds were not 'forced' to work their way back from the middles leagues. They were relegated.
There is no promotion and relegation in Super League. HTH.
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| Quote ="AaronBull"Leeds were not 'forced' to work their way back from the middles leagues. They were relegated.
There is no promotion and relegation in Super League. HTH.'"
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| Quote ="AaronBull"Quote ="SIMMSFAXTEDDY"remember afew years ago when Leeds utd gambled on reaching the champions league, and dint. Then were forced to attempt to work their way back up from the middle leagues?'"
There is no promotion and relegation in Super League. HTH.'"
You should be stripped of your license, just like Wakefield & Harlequins (new brand).
Give me the championship any day! The proper league.
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| Quote ="tommy"From the pledge page on their site: "PPS – Across the vast majority of Super League the average season ticket price is around or indeed more than £200. A £100 donation would not only SAVE OUR CLUB, but still be less than £200.
PLEASE ACT NOW AND MAKE YOUR PLEDGE!"
Should have made it £200 in the first place and made a go at running the club as a sustainable business then!
Folk wonder why the lower league teams get a bit wound up about stuff, they all work hard with about 5 full-time staff and an array of volunteers and run their club based on what money they get in from 'real' crowds while the SL lot throw out stupid deals trying to get all locals to support them and making it seem like they're the best thing since sliced bread and end up with a e business plan.
And what do they get for this? All the TV money, sponsorship money and a chuffing license to an 'elite' competition.
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| Quote ="Chris.Taylor"You should be stripped of your license, just like Wakefield & Harlequins (new brand).
Give me the championship any day! The proper league.'"
Don't think there's any relegation from Championship this year, is there?
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| Quote ="Norman Bates"Don't think there's any relegation from Championship this year, is there?'"
No. Why?
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| Quote ="Fax Machine"No. Why?'"
Re-structuring of the Championships. Four promoted from Championship 1, none relegated from Championship, all part of the expansion conspiracy looking at the clubs already accepted into the Championship. Exactly the same as SL. Oh, hang on a minute.....
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| The Bulls should lose their licence after this season. They are not in a position to comply with the minimum standards and should rebuild in championship 1. Where was all this help for us Wakey, Leigh, Whitehaven, Leigh, Keighley? SL is all about if your face fits. I expect big Bige and co to allow Bradford to stay in SL. I dont want Bradford to die but be treated like us championship clubs. The whole thing stinks but SL and the RFL font care as long as they are their friends like Bradford are ok
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| Quote ="The Lucky Black Cat"The Bulls should lose their licence after this season. They are not in a position to comply with the minimum standards and should rebuild in championship 1. Where was all this help for us Wakey, Leigh, Whitehaven, Leigh, Keighley? SL is all about if your face fits. I expect big Bige and co to allow Bradford to stay in SL. I dont want Bradford to die but be treated like us championship clubs. The whole thing stinks but SL and the RFL font care as long as they are their friends like Bradford are ok'"
thats exacly it....no body wants to see a club go out of business.
but all we want is a set of rules where every team applies.
not
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"well you did bring us cheer leaders 1st!"
There is no way they will raise another £850,000 before the end of april! unless somebody comes in and buys them. Who would want to buy a business with £850,000 debt, before you even think about starting to make the club profitable again...remember RL is not exactly megabucks city is it!
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| Quote ="AaronBull"Leeds were not 'forced' to work their way back from the middles leagues. They were relegated.
There is no promotion and relegation in Super League. HTH.'"
i think you missunderstood when i said 'forced'
i didnt mean the governing body (FA) demoted them.
Leeds' financial situation forced them to sell all there top players and left them imcapable of competing at the top level, and then again at championship level.
to me. this is the same situation as bradford are likely to find themselves in a month, unless a mr money comes and saves them.
if you had a fortune, would you give £850,000 to bradford so they could stay alive? you will say yes because your a bradford fan.
but remember, anybody who might have that kind of money is a business man 1st!
not an excellent business opportunity if you ask me!
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| Quote ="SIMMSFAXTEDDY"remember afew years ago when Leeds utd gambled on reaching the champions league, and dint. Then were forced to attempt to work their way back up from the middle leagues?
will bradford have to do this?
if, and it looks likely to me, that they go into administration....they should be forced to fullfill their fixtures with whatever team they can field.
then they should be stripped of their licence, and depending on the state of the club then, assuming there still is one, they should be forced to start again.
from the bottom, like me or you if we were declared bankrupt.
i know its harsh, but its the reality.
it may sound like i am taking pleasure in the bulls plight, i am not. but you have to be fair, and the rfl simply have to make it a fair playing field, which it hasnt been for a while.
this is the only way that the corrupt redhall can rescue any credibility from this whole franchise fiasco.'"
Being bankrupt and being in administration are two completely diffferent things.
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| Quote ="Chris.Taylor"You should be stripped of your license, just like Wakefield & Harlequins (new brand).
Give me the championship any day! The proper league.'"
Why?
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| The problem with all this is that even if the Bulls do go into administration there will be no punishment .....
If you compare it to Rangers .... point deduction, excluded from Europe, forced to sell players / restructure wages etc ...... All these things have a direct effect on Rangers ie limited income for next year with no Europe, point deduction potentially moves them nearer relegation (I know it won't happen).
The worst that will happen to the Bulls is they will be rebranded and allowed to start again ---- they may well go backward on the field (if possible) and lose some of the hey day supporters but they will still dine at the top table !!!!
In the end the only loses will be RL and any last bit of any creditability left !!!
In an ideal world there would be a legal challange as the Bulls have not met any legal obligation towards their licence and as a result a championship club in a position to take over is in fact having their right to trade restricted .... I cannot believe for one minute that this as just come to light all the signs would have been there when any licence application was submitted unless they in some way suplied inaccurate evidence or failed to include vital information.
Rant over !!!!!
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| Good God above! I've come on to our forums today to have a read about our important game tonight. Couldn't help but have a read through the recent posts on this thread tho.
Some people really don't live in the real world do they? Apparently we gloat and are taking enjoyment in some of this.
Well, to be honest we probably have every right to but maybe if a bull fan actually walked a mile or so in the shoes of a championship club then they might actually start to understand why we are frustrated, annoyed, wound up etc.
I read this morning that Steve o conner has lobbed ten grand to the collection because the bulls deserve the support. I may be doing him a disservice and I apologise if I'm wrong but were Leigh not deserving last year when his club were in our league? Or keighley for that matter? Nope, this is just another clear example of double standards, the nose is in the closed trough so f you jack.
Hopefully some of this money can be put towards the five year contract given to The bulls brightest star a few days ago. Here you go kid, sign there, we'll be out of business by Easter tho.
I refer to a post I placed a few days ago, it All stinks to high heaven. Start to see our frustration and don't moan when you read stuff you don't like. For the record hardly anyone wants a fellow club to fold, We just want fairness.
Rant over.
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| Quote ="TURFEDOUT"Being bankrupt and being in administration are two completely diffferent things.'"
yeah i get that.
but a person like me and you with our personal finances wouldnt go into admin, we would declare bankrupt.
bradford have no dollar, neither did leeds utd.
nobody decided to help Leeds out at the time with 35,000 fans and a rich football history, why do bradford fans assume that a saviour will arrive at odsal?!
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| I firmly believe that Red Hall knew the Bulls were going to the wall. They didnt step in a few weeks ago to buy Odsal to help the Bulls they wanted their money back. They know that when the bulls go into administration they (RFL) are at the lower end of the creditors who need paying ie Tax Man, Bank etc. Im not a Bulls lover by any stretch of the imagination but i think they have been shaffted by Red Hall as much as the problem is of their own making
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| Quote ="FAXFOREVER"Good God above! I've come on to our forums today to have a read about our important game tonight. Couldn't help but have a read through the recent posts on this thread tho.
Some people really don't live in the real world do they? Apparently we gloat and are taking enjoyment in some of this.
Well, to be honest we probably have every right to but maybe if a bull fan actually walked a mile or so in the shoes of a championship club then they might actually start to understand why we are frustrated, annoyed, wound up etc.
=#FF0000I read this morning that Steve o conner has lobbed ten grand to the collection because the bulls deserve the support. I may be doing him a disservice and I apologise if I'm wrong but were Leigh not deserving last year when his club were in our league? Or keighley for that matter? Nope, this is just another clear example of double standards, the nose is in the closed trough so f you jack.
Hopefully some of this money can be put towards the five year contract given to The bulls brightest star a few days ago. Here you go kid, sign there, we'll be out of business by Easter tho.
I refer to a post I placed a few days ago, it All stinks to high heaven. Start to see our frustration and don't moan when you read stuff you don't like. For the record hardly anyone wants a fellow club to fold, We just want fairness.
Rant over.'"
What that was was column inches in national newpapers and on websites mentioning Widnes that 10k wouldn't buy.
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| Quote ="SIMMSFAXTEDDY"yeah i get that.
but a person like me and you with our personal finances wouldnt go into admin, we would declare bankrupt.
bradford have no dollar, neither did leeds utd.
nobody decided to help Leeds out at the time with 35,000 fans and a rich football history, why do bradford fans assume that a saviour will arrive at odsal?!'"
Fair comment.
FWIW i think the Bulls supporters would be mad to raise the required monies to stave off administration.It will still leave the people in charge that have got them into this mess.
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| Quote ="TURFEDOUT"Fair comment.
FWIW i think the Bulls supporters would be mad to raise the required monies to stave off administration.It will still leave the people in charge that have got them into this mess.'"
Exactamundo.
Also, they could raise £700k and just say, well, good effort but no cigar. We'll take the money anyway (Directors) and then we're going into administration. Ta very much.
Trust surely has gone out the window?
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| WOuld you trust giving any money to a set of idiots that have lied and kept you in the dark and manage to get your club to within weeks of closure? I wouldnt no matter how big a fan I am. In the worst case scenario a Bradford team could reform under new management in Championship 1. But most of the fans wont support that as its below them and they only want SL.
I think the Fans should have said we will put the money forward to the Supporers group ( Bullbuilder I think they have) and then either they give you the money on such a date and the promise Hood and co all resign and a new board come and run things. If not the Supporters club keeps the money until either a new board or a new club come and hand over the money then. The poor fans dont deserve to be treated like this even if they are Bulls fans
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| I have just been browsing through a well known auction site and have seen for sale some especially printed tickets to get in to a Bulls game the tickets have printed " Get in for a special price of a £5 .Well whose idea is this because the match was the Bradford v Leeds one. Not too many years ago this fixture would have seen a sell out for the Bulls , this year they are certainly selling themselves cheap , I cannot understand their thinking .They have already given practically everyone in Bradford a season ticket for next to nothing so who were the specially printed tickets for? Well whoever they have been printed for is floging them to potential Leeds fans who would have paid a proper price to get in ,talk about shooting yourself in the foot.
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| Quote ="marillion man"Re-structuring of the Championships. Four promoted from Championship 1, none relegated from Championship, all part of the expansion conspiracy looking at the clubs already accepted into the Championship. Exactly the same as SL. Oh, hang on a minute.....'"
What I meant was: "No. Why are you asking."
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| Can't understand why anyone is offering to help them out? If they go out of business they will have no problem in doing a Leeds United and starting up again with no debt.
With the RFL being the landlords for Odsal they will be eager for a new tennant, i.e. the reformed Bulls (or maybe another name like Northern). Losing their franchise would do them a favour, they could see how the other half live, and with no debt they would sail up through the lower leagues if their fans stayed loyal. They would then be welcomed back into Duper League with open arms like the prodigal son.
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| Quote ="Steve Slater"Losing their franchise would do them a favour, they could see how the other half live, and with no debt they would sail up through the lower leagues if their fans stayed loyal. They would then be welcomed back into Duper League with open arms like the prodigal son.'"
They won't lose their license. If they didn't kick Wakey out for going bust they certainly won't be kicking Bradford out - no matter how much they meltdown. Great system isn't it? Fair don't ya think?
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