Everyone can see where the problem is and get frustrated why there aren't changes made.

What options are there?

We have no one to bring into the pack from our own squad because of injuries to Ben Kav, Elliott Morris and Sion Jones and Tommy Lee needs a couple of weeks to get up to pace.

We had no one to bring in from DR because no one was available.

That means we're left with the same ones doing the same things the same way with the same results.

If there's a realistic alternative with the funding we have say what it is.

Under Grix, there are no two performances the same. Although I wasn't there, today was clearly abject. Words fail how shameful that second half must have been, to concede 10 points off penalities to 12 men doesn't make logical sense. Discipline is diabolical. As I have said before, the plight of our discipline is either lack of fitness, lack of coach oversight to understand where the issues are or a combination of both.

Money or lack thereof is for me, not a fundamental issue. There are countless examples in league and other sports of coaches who get teams to perform beyond expectations, with limited budgets etc. We did have a guy who did that for the most part in four seasons. I feel for Grix as he clearly is frustrated but this is his team whom he has built has of yet failed to get to perform, irrelevant of last week. I'll say it again, his whole dynamic about this year was starting better than previous seasons. The playing resources we have and with Tommy Lee coming in has close to 750+ games worth of superleague experience. Will be surprised if we sneak a win against London. Not sure when enough is enough but find it very difficult to defend our position right now. We are going backwards rapidly. I thought we built some real stability on and off the field over the last couple of seasons but that quickly is going south. Geeking out but we've won 7 of 22 league games with Grix. Relegation form.

We wont have a better chance to beat Leigh than this.

In my opinion our pack is not strong enough this season. We lack the grunt and go forward of a Calahane or someone who can break a tackle like Tangata. Not sure why we didn't look for players down under.

We are making far too many basic errors and giving penalties away. Something has to change or attendances will dwindle. Not about money we can still cut out errors and be workmanlike completing sets. We aren't giving ourselves a chance.

Good morning GFB.

I clearly made 'niggle comments' about both sides. I'm not sure what started it all, but players were 'coming together' at any and every opportunity. I thought our discipline was appalling in the first half - I don't know why that was. I don't think the ref did a particularly good job of keeping both teams apart, after the tackle, but I can't think of any ref who could have stopped the aggro that was constantly on the bubble.

Everyone understands where the issue is especially SG, which is the same players turning out exactly the same poor performance each week.
It's them giving the penalties away, getting run over down the middle when defending and hardly being able to break a tackle going forward not SG.
They've been told, he's told them, they know it and either can't change or won't change.
In this scenario the coach would normally force the changes so why hasn't he.
SG gave the answer and said.
"It's not like we can go to the supermarket and buy what we want."
That was the case in preseason recruitment and is the case now, when players are performing they play when they're not they get dropped, so again what options has he to leave some sitting in the stands?
Who have we got currently in the squad to replace them with?
No one.
Who can we afford to bring in who's available and any better?
No one.
Who was available on DR?
No one.
Unlike us who can basically say what we want SG has to restrain himself in being critical of his players when commenting in interviews and in public.
Unlike us he's living it, breathing it, thinking about it every day whilst still trying to fix it with his hands tied behind his back to some extent.

RM did a great job in what he achieved but he would have done an even better job with more funding because he would have brought in better players.
Every team in this division who have made progress in the past and are at the top now have had the most money to spend and the better DR arrangement both equating to more better quality players to choose from.
Funding isn't the be all and end all but for Fax in the current situation it just means we are less likely to be able to make the necessary changes.

Pull the other one lad. That team is more than good enough to be competing with Leigh, Fev, London, Toulouse

Grix : 300+
Murrell : 100 +
Lee : 250 +
Larroyer : 100 +
Kavanagh : 150 +
Hirst : 50 +
Broughton : 100 +

+ A majority of other players have played at the top level of the championship for many seasons and Super 8s . I have no doubt that other teams have healthier playing budgets than us and who wouldn't rather play their rugby in Toulouse! But the present gulf for me is too sizeable for the squad we have.

Irrelevant of DR. He might turn it around but little evidence to suggest its going to happen. The discipline and being rolled down the middle is everything to do with prep and mitigation. If he can't galvanise them to tackle it on the field then there is a fundamental issue in how they are preparing both as a team and for the opposition.

You blame the coach, I don't based on the fact of seeing that it's the same players giving the penalties, losing the collision in the tackle and making the errors, not the coach.
If any player in the Fax team, especially of those you quoted needs to be galvanized or shown how to tackle or how to play at this stage of their careers then it makes you wonder how they even got this far.
Incidentally of those players you quoted.
Lee and Kavanagh aren't even playing.
Grix and Broughton are backs.
Murrell is a stand off who defends the right edge.
None of whom have any effect on being rolled down the middle and aren't the ones giving the penalties away.
Other than that your analysis makes perfect sense, lad.

Easy to blame the ref, but I don't think you can argue too much with any of the cards. Yes, other refs might have interpreted things differently, but you can see why they were given.

One the penalties, if I were a Fax fan, the tip tackle, that tackler holding reynolds down as he was getting up and the shoulder charge would really annoy me. They were brainfades, close to their own line and made life easy for Leigh, who were happy to chip away and take the 2s on offer. Whether the ref was petty at times, these were actual penalties and they helped decide the game.

Would've helped if the ref hadn't made up a load of hand signals for his decisions though. Think he started doing the YMCA at one point.

You've really misrepresented what I am saying. I am referring to the discipline aspect; if Grix can't galvanise them to collectively take responsibility for the discipline on the field, not the literal tacking itself, although I'm not privy, the wrestling aspect has become a core feature for a lot of defences now. We could just as well be poor in that department as well. You can split hairs if you want but everything on the field for the majority of last year and this year suggests failings at the coaching level. Hoping Tommy Lee might bring a bit of steel down the middle. Fleming and Larroyer need dropping IMO.

Fleming has been awful since he started his cake shop business.
Larroyer always on the team sheet every week without fail. Baffling.

Very honest interpretation of exactly how i felt.Team full of clueless clowns coached by an individual who offers no answers and seems totally nonplussed by the whole events.GFB touched on it but having to drop out from a kick off set the whole second half trend and we totally lost all momentum against 11 men............

Not sure where we go from here. Seems we are stuck with grix as a coach. Also we have no players to come in to replace the the likes of Fleming and laroyer. Hope Dual reg starts paying off sure Huddersfield will have a couple of decent forwards in the reserves to step in and replace the two penalty machines.

Say what you mean BJ don't sit on the Fence !! Have to say I totally agree we are in a mess

Spoke to you,Fax4life plus a couple others at half time and we were all in 100% agreement about the second half yet the team came out and did the complete opposite.

In representation, correct me if I'm wrong you're blaming the coach and I'm not?

It's certainly not about splitting hairs, identifying the root of the problem is far more important than that.

From what I am seeing from Fax and my own experience of being coached, playing etc, discipline and tackling (or what we knew as the collision) often go hand in hand.
The collision is key and comes before any wrestling side of things.
Win the collision either in attack or defense and you almost certainly win the other things such as the wrestle and in context the penalty count.

When defending, if you are losing the collision (getting rolled down the middle like Fax often are) you start to lose your discipline.
If you release early they make big yards down the middle, retreating defense = penalties, points conceded.
If you don't release early to slow the play the ball down = penalties and points conceded.

It's a simple formula that every rugby player / coach at every level knows about, we all know this.

This is exactly what's happening with Fax, reading Keal's retirement interview and speaking about his condition coming to light against Sheffield he says this.
“I probably lied to myself a little bit that day; the pitch was heavy, they were rolling us down the middle and it was the first game."

This root cause of being rolled down the middle and penalties has nothing to do with the players you quoted who either weren't even playing, or if they were, none are playing down the middle, it's the pack's responsibility.

Can SG see this, yes.
In the pre York game interview he says.
"He thought the backs are doing okay but the forwards were pretty scratchy, they need to sort their games out".

If he's saying that in front of the camera what do you think he is saying off camera?

He tells us in the post match interview from the same game saying.
"He had laid down the challenge to our middle of how they needed to play".

Of course that would have involved coaching, not just saying it and off the field both coach and player will work together but when on the field it's down to the player.

Have a bad game on game day and the coach will do his job and pull you off, keep having bad game days and you will be dropped, again a simple formula that everyone understands.

Problem is as stated, we have no one to replace them in the pack, who's going to replace Dan and Kev for instance?

Ben, Elliot, Sion Jones all out injured and no one available on DR.

So they keep their place.
Does a player who's been told and knows he's having a second or even third chance need anymore incentive to be galvanized to take personnel or collective responsibility for his performance or actions and if he blamed the coach for "everything on the field" were down to failings at coaching level how do think they would be viewed by everyone else involved at the club including us.

Just imagine what we would say and think if Dan Fleming who lets be honest has clearly had a few poor games comes out and blames Simon Grix!!!
I just can't stop giving penalties away and it's his fault, I need to be galvanized.


Pure

100% proof.

Tommy Lee will add strength down the middle as SG stated. "He can whack em and will stiffen us up there."

Ben Kaye had his faults but defense down the middle was one of his strong points and we've missed his influence there.

If nobody's available on DR what's the point in having it?

Really Hudds, does this have to be explained?

In context of the discussion, nobody's available now to replace a player that's a candidate for being dropped so he plays.

Over the season, overall it simply adds to the size of the squad.

Even with it we are down to bare bones, without it we are verging on starvation, certainly in the pack.

We're only at the start of the season. If shuddersfield have no players they need to get match fit or need game time now, I can't see how they will have later apart from using us to ease injured players back to fitness.

Backs to "if's" again and yet again negative, critical "if's" with no real knowledge of what the actual situation is.

Why is that, just to support your view of DR that's all you can see.

These comments don't even attempt to provide any support for the club or discuss the issues facing Fax at the moment.

As an example, name one player Fax have taken that Huddersfield have forced on us who was injured and coming back to fitness, you can't.

"If" as you say Huddersfield don't have any players to offer in the future you have what you wanted.

A Fax side full of Fax players playing at the current level.

Then you can be critical again of the BoD having no ambition and the coach having no abilities again offering no alternatives to how they can fix any of it.

Huddersfield will send players to us who and when they decide to. Do you really think they are in this 'partnership' to help out Halifax RLFC? I think I know a little bit more about what's going on at the club than you give me credit for. I also know what's right and what's wrong, something which I have an opinion on and will comment on. As for the examples you give, I clearly stated the players returning from injury scenario was one which could occur later in the season and have made no criticism of Simon Grix's coaching but misquote me all you want if it suits your argument. To finish, the most positive thing Fax could do for our club is to rid theirselves of this DR madness. Short term it may be beneficial but long term it will be disastrous.

Total rubbish about the Huddersfield players.
Based on speculation, to support your view on DR whilst at the same time insulting Fax with comments such as
Quote "Shuddersfield, our DR masters/partners.....etc etc.

The facts show so far we have had 3 players, all forwards to try and strengthen our pack for well aired reasons who Huddersfield offered and Fax decided to take and none of whom were injured or coming back from injury.

One went well and moved on to a SL club.
Another was a former Bradford player who was a rising star at this level and Huddersfield payed a six figure sum for.
The third was another good lad who got stuck in on the day and helped in the win against York picking up a knock in the process.

No you weren't misquoted about what could happen in the future, you said now.
Quote "If shuddersfield have no players they need to get match fit or need game time now, I can't see how they will have later apart from using us to ease injured players back to fitness."
But if you want to deny it just to support your argument.......

With our current situation and the coming changes DR is the least of our worries both in the short and long term and if you really knew what's going on within the club and the game then you'd know that as well.

I said later. Bye!

I said taking an injured player now or later, never. Bye.

Wait, Hudd-Shay is involved in ANOTHER boring anti-DR rant and then withdraws when challenged.

I'm honestly so shocked.

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