As said on the "Big Mistake", the Shay is losing a small amount of money. Not enough to warrant being titled as "bleeding them dry"

The council will throw the proposal out immediately then. Oh. What's taking them so long????

On the contrary. Why has the deal taken over a month longer than the 2-3 weeks we were promised by Mr Abbott?

Not sure. Why did I take my brolly today after the weatherman said it would rain? It didn't.

Ah so now we see why you're backing this man. You'll follow anything that someone will make you believe is true. Thanks for clarifying.

I listen to professionals. Sometimes they're wrong. Mostly they're right.

Tony Abbott is right.

And you're basing this on hypothetical scenarios?

If he wants a place for his new jobs why does he needs the Shay? What about the old Laura Mitchell Clinic?

Are we also trusting a man who claimed he has had no involvement in pay day loan companies?

Remember, Abbott was wrong about the whole 2-3 weeks.

Super Geoff = Geoff Butler no doubt... Jog on and cast your aspersions elsewhere...

£250K per annum you call that small??
I don't as a Calderdale Council taxpayer and the Majority of residents don't either.

Quote ="Knock On Nigel"www.theshaymen.net/ipb/index.php?/topic/7423-rival-bid/'" Vaz is the type of "politician" I would expect people like KnobboffNigel and Stupidgeoff (Blubba) to align themselves to. Only trouble is, you two, Vaz wants to increase the capacity, you don't see the need, and he wants to improve the ground, which you two don't see the need. Apart from that all he says is great, Strange thing is, Mr Abbott will buy the ground, get used to it. Question? When Mr Abbott owns the ground and delivers all his promises will you ever admit you were wrong? editors note, Keith Vaz is a Member of Parliament for Leicester East, a corrupt politician, www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... court.html No wonder he has aligned himself to Knoboffnigel and co. Yes I know the letter is a spoof, but do Town fans know?

Quote ="Knock On Nigel"www.theshaymen.net/ipb/index.php?/topic/7423-rival-bid/'" Vaz is the type of "politician" I would expect people like KnobboffNigel and Stupidgeoff (Blubba) to align themselves to. Only trouble is, you two, Vaz wants to increase the capacity, you don't see the need, and he wants to improve the ground, which you two don't see the need. Apart from that all he says is great, Strange thing is, Mr Abbott will buy the ground, get used to it. Question? When Mr Abbott owns the ground and delivers all his promises will you ever admit you were wrong? editors note, Keith Vaz is a Member of Parliament for Leicester East, a corrupt politician, www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... court.html No wonder he has aligned himself to Knoboffnigel and co. Yes I know the letter is a spoof, but do Town fans know?

You're joking right? I'd pinned all my hopes on the promises and pleads of Mr Vaz. It was all so ambitious! Now what will we do?

I'll let you think whatever you want. A wrong as you may be everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

It's only the same as you pinning your hopes on a bunch of part time politicians and a stadium that apparently doesn't erode or weather with time. Abbott's magic beans are no worse than the council's.

Commercial sense should win through at the end of this process with Abbott taking over our stadium and sweating the assets therein. The clubs (with Abbots help) must step up to the plate and come up with a plan to get more Calderdale people watching the respective sporting events.

Our stadium? The Shay is no more the rugby clubs as it is the Footballs. It is owned by the council.

I said "ours" as joint attendees. See, take off your rugby-hating specs and come back to the table. It's clouding your judgement. It's clouding most of the FC Town fan's judgement. That's the crux of your protest isn't it? Tony Abbott's an egg chaser.

Pathetic.

Hypothetical question which I have asked FCHT fans on Facebook without reply: If and when CMBC announce that they are officially putting the Shay on the market would you rather it was bought by TA/Reactiv (or indeed anyone else who wishes to continue to run it as a stadium) or would you rather it went to a Property Developer who would bulldoze it?

Il answer you as a FCHT fan.Obviously the former but what guarentee is
there that the latter will happen eventually ?

Because the council need the money and personally I'm not all that bothered whether the council retain ownership or it goes to Reactiv (although I slightly favour the latter option). What worries me is that with their hatred for all things Fax FCHT fans would rather see the Shay razed to the ground than fall into the hands of TA/Reactiv. They are constantly stating that he is trying to get it on the cheap but that is with the stipulation that it remains a sports stadium which limits it's value to a potential purchaser. To realise it's full value that stipulation would need to be removed.

what happened to all the "we're against private ownership full stop" posts?

Hypocrites

over years things change some for the better others for the worse. the world never mind the council cannot stop progress and changes.

I had much sympathy over the private ownership issue and am still to be convinced by Tony Abbot's plans.

However, the town fans have been a real embarrassment in the way they have approached all this. It is clear it is now a rugby issue with them. There is a danger that, due to their actions, the shay could fall into the hands of unscrupulous landlords or even property developers - as happened to Coventry City, as they oft quote. Will Tony be out of order if he meets some of these people armed with writs?

There should be somebody addressing the fans but in the first place it should be the council.

In small part I suspect they are worried their little club don't hit big enough and will be trampled over. Fair enough.

There's a difference between private ownership to a stranger and private ownership to a man that's invested heavily in a local company and is heavily involved in one of the clubs playing out of the stadium. Some people are able to react differently to changes in circumstances whilst some people (you) are unable to assimilate a different circumstance. Basically you're thick and blinded by the massive elephant in your own personal padded room - That elephant is simply Rugby.

And quite right too, only a moron could pick fault with this statement.
Yes the Council own the Stadium but, it is the joint home of two teams and therefore "ours"
After all many times the Town fans have called us squatters, infering that it is their Stadium.
I just wish the Town supporters could get rid of that great big chip on their shoulders.

That would take some eating John.

well wasn't expected to be abused by fans of my own team

probably didn't make my post as clear as it could have been. was aimed at the Keith Vaz statement on t'football page.