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| Quote ="faxcar"Yer Bullseye must have been heartbroken when to quote the T&A.
“Mark Dunning, who has used the Bulls’ dual-registration partnership with Leeds on numerous occasions so far this season, will have James Donaldson, Luis Roberts and Sam Walters at his disposal in the crunch clash against Fax.”
Especially when they were Bradford’s best players on the night winning by just 4 points precisely because of their input.'"
...and just look at what that one result has done to the league table. DR = Disgrace!
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| Quote ="Hudd-Shay"...and just look at what that one result has done to the league table. DR = Disgrace!'"
The point was Bullseye said he didn’t think had helped them at all!
Agreed with the effect it can have on results and that’s enough of an argument against it on it’s own and there are plenty other valid reasons as well.
But not with the one club are masters over us.
Have a foot on our throat.
We have to do as we’re told and some our of own players are excluded from training when we take a player on DR claims.
Talking like that actually weakens the argument it’s so obviously ridiculous and if I believed strongly enough for or against something I would at least try and base my conviction on something a bit more solid and factual.
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| Quote ="Hudd-Shay"Codswallop!
Can’t remember him playing for us.
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| Just out of interest as anyone got any constructive alternatives to DR ?
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| Quote ="Greg Florimos Boots"We didn't really use DR last season and I would imagine it will be the same this season but it's there if we need it. Grix is no mug and him and Radford are old mates I imagine the link will be used with respect. Needs must we are probably at the very least 500k away from Fev's spend so at this point we have to try and use any edge we can get.'"
Do you still have the same thoughts GFB?
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| Quote ="faxcar"The point was Bullseye said he didn’t think had helped them at all!
Agreed with the effect it can have on results and that’s enough of an argument against it on it’s own and there are plenty other valid reasons as well.
But not with the one club are masters over us.
Have a foot on our throat.
We have to do as we’re told and some our of own players are excluded from training when we take a player on DR claims.
Talking like that actually weakens the argument it’s so obviously ridiculous and if I believed strongly enough for or against something I would at least try and base my conviction on something a bit more solid and factual. icon_thumb.gif'"
You do like to make things up. Show me where i've said our players are excluded from training. Fact!
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| Quote ="Greg Florimos Boots"I still think despite the losses at Widnes, Batley, and London, that Bradford game was easily as bad as those performances and we still managed to get pretty close to them. We beat them easily in the cup and should have beaten them at Odsal yet Bradford went in to this weekend in 3rd. To me just shows the drop of in standards in the league this season.'"
Yes poor game for us against Bradford and on topic because it wasn’t their team that did it.
Likewise the standard of the League although being competitive it’s more like average vs mediocrity across the board with not many games that will be remembered for long so far that’s for sure.
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| Quote ="Hudd-Shay"You do like to make things up. Show me where i've said our players are excluded from training. Fact!'"
Okay. Fact.
“Hudd-Shay wrote:
Player comes into the club on dr. That player trains maybe twice, at the expense of an established Fax player, learning moves and calls. The dr player is named in the team for the game. On the eve if the game the dr player's club rings SG up and says 'sorry mate, we've changed our mind, send him back. That is doing as you are told!”
“That player trains twice at the expense of an established Fax player.......”
Not named or plays “TRAINS” at the expense of a Fax player.
And if you can’t write properly and actually meant “plays” instead of “trains” your even contradicting your own big EXPENSE point in the same post because if he’s been recalled then the Fax player he was going to replace will come back in and play anyway so its not at his or anyone’s else expense is it! FACT.
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| Quote ="faxcar"Okay. Fact.
“Hudd-Shay wrote:
Player comes into the club on dr. That player trains maybe twice, at the expense of an established Fax player, learning moves and calls. The dr player is named in the team for the game. On the eve if the game the dr player's club rings SG up and says 'sorry mate, we've changed our mind, send him back. That is doing as you are told!”
“That player trains twice at the expense of an established Fax player.......”
Not named or plays “TRAINS” at the expense of a Fax player.
And if you can’t write properly and actually meant “plays” instead of “trains” your even contradicting your own big EXPENSE point in the same post because if he’s been recalled then the Fax player he was going to replace will come back in and play anyway so its not at his or anyone’s else expense is it! FACT.'"
At the expense of doesn't mean instead of. Also, i did mean trains not plays. FACT!
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| Quote ="Hudd-Shay"At the expense of doesn't mean instead of.
Also, i did mean trains not plays. FACT!'"
So in this setting what’s does it mean then did this Fax player have to pay for his taxi to the training ground?
How was it then, either at training or on match day when you said the DR player was withdrawn was it at the Fax players expense?
Also I notice no denial mention of the other extreme comments about masters, feet on throat etc because there obviously laughable. FACT.
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| Quote ="Listenup94"Just out of interest as anyone got any constructive alternatives to DR ?'"
Yes the system we always had,loans of a minimum period of one month.We have never been in a position where we couldn’t raise a 17 and the DR we’ve used this season has been a complete waste of time.The only counter argument could be Sutcliffe who had one game and that lead to a longer stay.No reason why this couldn’t have been an initial loan.
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| Quote ="Beaujangles"Yes the system we always had,loans of a minimum period of one month.We have never been in a position where we couldn’t raise a 17 and the DR we’ve used this season has been a complete waste of time.The only counter argument could be Sutcliffe who had one game and that lead to a longer stay.No reason why this couldn’t have been an initial loan.'"
That’s the way to go, tried and tested and if the parent club won’t commit to a month then he won’t be available and we won’t have the choice anyway.
Main stumbling block is the game as a whole would have to agree to it for your proposal to happen otherwise the parent club would just DR with someone else.
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| Quote ="Beaujangles"Yes the system we always had,loans of a minimum period of one month.We have never been in a position where we couldn’t raise a 17 and the DR we’ve used this season has been a complete waste of time.The only counter argument could be Sutcliffe who had one game and that lead to a longer stay.No reason why this couldn’t have been an initial loan.'"
Aye, that's almost spot on and is what i've said more than once on here. The only point I would pick out would be where you say 'this' season. I would argue it has been a total waste of time with each different club we've had an embarrasing 'partnership' with. Also, again repeating myself, it's not just the detrimental effect it has on Fax, it's the game as a whole which is being used and abused by SL clubs. Their boot is well and truly on our necks and until we wrestle it off the status quo will well and truly remain.
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| Quote ="Hudd-Shay"Do you still have the same thoughts GFB?'"
Yeah nothing changed on my view there, well apart from faxcar telling everyone I think Grix is an awful coach. I think our link with Cas has been used with respect but the problem is that we are bottom feeding, Cas are awful and have had a bad time with injuries, we have been awful as well for the most part and I bet Grix would have liked to bring some quality in from Cas but the simple fact is that they don't have it.
Before faxcar tries to twist anything else that I have said don't be mistaken that in saying that I think its a good system because I don't, I hate it, but the reality is that it is there and is not going away anytime soon while the money coming in to the game gets less and less. The only good thing about it from our point of view is that it has given us a bit of a try before you buy opportunity. How many players do we have in the team who have played for us on DR who are now either permanent already or will be by the end of the season?
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| Quote ="Greg Florimos Boots"Yeah nothing changed on my view there, well apart from faxcar telling everyone I think Grix is an awful coach. icon_wink.gif I think our link with Cas has been used with respect but the problem is that we are bottom feeding, Cas are awful and have had a bad time with injuries, we have been awful as well for the most part and I bet Grix would have liked to bring some quality in from Cas but the simple fact is that they don't have it.
Before faxcar tries to twist anything else that I have said don't be mistaken that in saying that I think its a good system because I don't, I hate it, but the reality is that it is there and is not going away anytime soon while the money coming in to the game gets less and less. The only good thing about it from our point of view is that it has given us a bit of a try before you buy opportunity. How many players do we have in the team who have played for us on DR who are now either permanent already or will be by the end of the season?'"
But that can be done with the old loan system as has been said and as such it would prevent any possibility of players being pulled just before a game. Again it is all for the gain of the SL club. Anyroad, time to get ready for today. In my view this is the biggest game of the season....so far. Up The Fax!
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| [Part quotes="Greg Florimos Boots"Yeah nothing changed on my view there, well apart from faxcar telling everyone I think Grix is an awful coach. "Before faxcar tries to twist anything else that I have said........."
You mean something like this from you about Grix being an awful coach.
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Where you had him behind every other coach in the professional game.
Feel free to untwist away, as I said GFB always good for a laugh but not much else.
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| Quote ="faxcar"[Part quotes="Greg Florimos Boots"Yeah nothing changed on my view there, well apart from faxcar telling everyone I think Grix is an awful coach. icon_wink.gif "Before faxcar tries to twist anything else that I have said........."
You mean something like this from you about Grix being an awful coach. icon_lol.gif
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Where you had behind every other coach in the professional game. icon_lol.gif
Feel free to untwist away, as I said GFB always good for a laugh but not much else. icon_lol.gif'"
He's reyt though isn't he? Our lass could have got this team into the play-offs and she's a dinner lady! Victorian Craft Beer Café, Vocation Bread & Butter 3.9% Mmm!
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| Quote ="Hudd-Shay"He's reyt though isn't he? Our lass could have got this team into the play-offs and she's a dinner lady! Victorian Craft Beer Café, Vocation Bread & Butter 3.9% Mmm!'"
Reyt about what?
GFB’s reyt about Grix being a poor coach when he claims he never said he was.
With logic like that you don’t write the assembly instructions for those diy flat pack companies by any chance do you?
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| Quote ="Greg Florimos Boots"Trawling posts and still don't find where I said that he is an awful coach.
As for good for a laugh, well someone has to be seen as though we had to wait a week for you to come up with your last funny.
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I don’t have to trawl through anything, unlike you I have a good memory and when a idiot whispers it might go unnoticed but when he shouts it out it becomes obvious and sticks.
And if claiming every other coach in the top 3 divisions would do a better job especially when in the time since you’ve said it some have been sacked based on their performance isn’t saying he’s an awful coach what is?
Twist away though.
Even Hudds thinks that’s what you said and that you were right in saying it so someone’s got their wires crossed.
Not getting a laugh for that one because it’s all so pathetically sad.
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| Quote ="faxcar"I don’t have to trawl through anything, unlike you I have a good memory and when a idiot whispers it might go unnoticed but when he shouts it out it becomes obvious and sticks.'"
Well you have been shouting pretty loud lately.
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| Quote ="Greg Florimos Boots"Well you have been shouting pretty loud lately.
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Yes I agree. Me replaying / quoting your posts and then listening to your “It wasn’t me, it wasn’t me, I never said that” was quite deafening.
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| Talking of DR players from Cas, I see they've palmed Fonua off to Doncaster, unless it's a different Fonua. Doesn't surprise me if it is him, he looked totally overweight and unfit for us at York.
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| Quote ="Tony Fax"Talking of DR players from Cas, I see they've palmed Fonua off to Doncaster, unless it's a different Fonua. Doesn't surprise me if it is him, he looked totally overweight and unfit for us at York.'"
Both Fonua and Faraimo were actually released from Cas in early August and have joined Doncaster until the end of the season.
Not that I particularly rate him but didn’t think Fonua was that bad against York, overall just another below par team performance.
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| Quote ="Tony Fax"Talking of DR players from Cas, I see they've palmed Fonua off to Doncaster, unless it's a different Fonua. Doesn't surprise me if it is him, he looked totally overweight and unfit for us at York.'"
It is and he was. But we were either told to play him or SG showed poor judgement.
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