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I dont think we being overcritical,once again in a really important game we have been found wanting in the choice of tactics,team selection & adapting to circumstances on the pitch.As other have said i cant think of one player that has improved under KH,as much as i respected him as a player i feel that he has had long enough and its time for a change

The nature of sport is that if you fail as a coach time and time again then your time in the job will be up. Has KH failed? I would say yes, he has bought the players in and they cannot be Leigh or Fev and at times have been rubbish against the lower placed teams. Therefore, time to get a new coach.

Yeah but we were playing sides closer to the bottom of the table and let's not forget that if Batley would of converted there final try then we would of lost that game even though we were cruising it in the second half IMO

I have said on other posts that I am trying to be diplomatic, I wouldn't want to call for any one in any course of life to lose their job.
All I would say is that I believe the board have backed every signing that Karl wanted to make and after each season a lot of those Karl has shown the door.
Jones, great at Keighley, sign him, hardly play him got rid.
Reittie, signed from Karls old team in and out, got rid.
Thaks and Handforth, the dream pairing, got rid.
And many more.
O'h Peter Fox?
Felt sorry for him early on, never seemed to get a pass and then thought why doesn't he go looking for the ball
A SL player became available so Karl went for him, had he seen him play recently?
Not saying Karl has done a bad job, far too diplomatic for that.

I think it's time for a change. We have some decent players, but for some of them (such as Peter Fox), we're clearly not doing the right things.

On reflection, if we'd not been so inept in the first half last Sunday (or if Karl had plugged that gaping gap on our left wing after we were exposed first time), then it could have been a really tight, exciting, game of RL.

Back to the point, the exposure we had on the left wing should have been sorted as soon as we were 4-0 down. That's why we need a change.

So who do we want then?

No chance of Cooke, Morrison, or Chester now.

Cant see anyone wanting Kear so pretty light on options at the moment.

Probably Bobbie Goulding for mine, from one or two players i have talked to he commands the respect of his players and also seems to have this knack of not only getting the best out of them but also seems to improve them too. He seems to be able to encourage players rather than just lambast them which is a total contrast to KH's coaching style.

Its very easy to say you need a new Coach , personally im a Bobbie Goulding fan , but why not try the Leigh way ?Appoint a young Coach who is willing to learn the trade , and employ an experienced Mentor for him to learn off , Paul Rowley worked with Ian Millward for a couple of seasons , learned the ropes and look at him now , granted our BOM has a lot to do with it as well , but with a Caring Board it can be achieved .

Fax remind me a lot of Leigh , you have a great bunch of Fans , very vocal and enthusiastic , you have a decent ground , and potential to rise , im not sure about your Board , but with a bit of Ambition and a target to aim for it can be done .Whats Martin Hall doing these days ?Yesterday I watched Scott Murrell giving on-field advice and trying to get the team going , why not appoint him and an Experienced Mentor , the off season is a short one and there wont be much time next year for slow starters ,Bradford , London , and Leigh have already got most of their Squads in place for next year , Fax don't want to be behind the 8 ball at the start of next year .

Who could this experienced mentor be that you speak about? Im struggling to think of good experienced coaches not in work. I think thats why we would end up pretty much having to take a punt on someone.

Whats Mal Reilly doing now he would make a good Mentor.

Leigh didn't invent that, we had it before you did with Hall and Calland, unfortunately they forgot the defence part of the training.

Noble and Damien Ball, Gibbo?

We could have gone with Ball but chose KH instead.
I said at the time I'd have preferred a young, up and coming coach, not saying it would have worked out any differently but we always knew what we were getting with KH.
Now I don't think we have anything left to lose going down that path.

All im saying is that maybe its worth a go , I know Leigh didn't invent this way of Coaching but sometimes a young view added to a more experienced view works , , I was at Donny yesterday and saw how upset most Fax fans were , you didn't deserve a display like that , things have to change , but only your Board can do it .

Something similar to the set up in 2006 - Hall and Calland? But will the BOD get rid of Karl? People like entertainment not boring ground out games , five drives and a kick - fear the Bulls will kick our @rses next year - BOD dont listen to the fans and they never will.

Not a chance! He's been out of the game too long. We're trying to get rid of one dinosaur, why replace him with another?

Why do folk think that because someone is old they are a Dinosaur , or their ideas are oldfashioned , if Wayne Bennett , or John Monie became available Fax would snap them , if they could afford them , remember Dinosaurs ruled the Earth , Coaching Fax would be a walk in the Park .Whatever folk think of KH , it wasn't him who was dropping the ball or missing the tackles at the Keepmoat .

No,but he played a second rower at centre who couldn't pass properly or tackle Paul
Cooke.

Age has nothing to do with it. It wouldn't matter to me if a guy was 70 if he had been continuously involved with the game in a coaching capacity, had a good reputation and had moved with the times which I don't believe Mal has.

I should perhaps add that I'm 63 myself.

I spoke to Murph at our Heritage Game on Saturday , mind and views still very sharp and forthright , not coached in the Game for many years , but for me could still advise a young and up and coming Coach .

How old are you? Just out of interest?

A clown is forever young?
Younger than Fax machine, and younger than me?
He says he is not yet 60?
My

Peacock, crying out for a job at every opportunity.

Off thread, if next doors Peacock layed an egg in your garden, who's egg would it be?

I'd welcome Noble back to be fair. Couldn't afford him though

Well I don't know but it would be worth money as Peacocks don't generally lay eggs.
Peahens I believe.