I didn't ask for a recording but you can't call the guy a liar if you can't even remember what he said.
Why are you still loitering on this site pretending to be a Fax fan when it is quite clear that you are a 100% died in the wool football fan?

Do some Rugby fans on here suffer from insanity?

No, they seem to enjoy every minute of it.

Thought you were a rugby fan two Shay? R Sole.

Thread not locked yet?

Subject done to death.

Only true fact is a lot of footie fans despise anything to do with the rugby club and will spit bile, venom and their version of the truth at anything do do with us.

I have always wished their club well in this forum and on the Courier site, but I have to admit it's getting more and more difficult.

I am a Rugby fan. Just trying to help you lot see the truth. Our club is up the creek without a paddle. Where is our direction, where are our directors??

keep the faith,there's plenty who back both clubs.Don't let a handfull
of numptys tarnish your views.

What has the rent issue got to do with the moronic Luddites who follow the Pubteam? Answer is nothing. Sadly there is a large number of morons who follow the Pubteam and have helped create further divisions between the two sets of fans. Led by Gavin Butler, the Luddites have been poostirring and making things up. The manner of the hate campain against the likes of Tony Abbott, Michael Steele as well as Councillors like Tim Swift is nothing short of disgarceful. The Luddites are happy to point fingers knowing NO facts and forgetting the debts that the old Pubteam had.

Somebody on Facebook posted "The club are attempting to renegotiate terms as the football club successfully did when they ended up playing against the Dog and Gun and Red Lion. Times have changed, but the rugby club are still paying more for about 35% usage." There are rumours that Fax pay way more than the Pubteam yet use it way less. Fax and anybody who uses it regularly should be on the same terms for the amount of usage.

The people running the club have done well so far and have got the club in a much better shape than previously. I trust them as whilst certain areas could be better the record they have is a good one and have hardly been here 2 minutes. The sacrifices people like Mr Steel, Mr Riley etc have done for our club and the results it has brought over the years should not be forgotten. Sponsorship money is up again this year. Ignore Gavin Butler and his band of merry morons. I know I would rather trust people like Mr Steele, Mr Abbott, Mr Riley who have achieved something over a set of morons who hate our club and who always look to cause problems.

The pubteam and their luddite folloewers are on tele this Thursday.You're obviously a
fan,will you be watching ?

Such a pub team they've been on TV a lot more than we have over the last 10 years.

I'll tell you why Town fans are so interested in this - TA tried to buy the Shay and he and others (one councillor in particular) justified it by saying the stadium could not continue to make a 6-figure loss every year. Well, truth is now out that it doesn't lose a 6-figure sum every year, and much of the losses are down to the rugby not paying their rent. Regardless of how much either club is meant to pay, Fax have a contract and have wilfully broken it.

And I suppose many Town supporters do see the Shay as their spiritual home, so for them, to see TA and others say the annual deficit is reason enough for the council to sell, when it is TA's rugby club that's responsible for some of that deficit. Yeah, I think I'd be ed off in their shoes as well.

No you're not. Before accusing anyone else of lying - look closer to home. Not that it matters for being on here. Unlike the Wendyball forum, the fans of FCHT are free to post on here. Just a shame that you feel the need to closet yourself as a rugby fan. Same goes for your other footy friend on here.

Soccer is a boring sport and would not watch it no matter who plays. As for the Pubteam , I couldnt care less who they play or what they do- including paying the rent or whatever. Whatever that club does, is up to them. I dont feel the need to go causing trouble on their forum though, nor go around making things up and harrassing people connected with the club.

Best way 2 deal with right wing loonies is ignore them. One of them is daft enough 2 b a suicide bomber soon so he he will get a place in paradise with 70 pommegranets.

They do no realise when they have gone there is nothing left.

Apologies is pomeggranettes spelt wrong ?

I'll be watching the footy. It's Halifax. I'll be wishing them well.

The pubteam did once used to own The Shay, but sold it to the Council many years ago when it was once again short of cash. The Pubteam are as much squatters as Fax are. The Shay is used sadly by less than 1% of the population of Calderdale regularly and costs a fortune to run and does lose money. Maybe if the Pubteam payed more rent money than the peanuts it pays now, then that would help. The Shay is in need of redevelopment, something the council cant afford to do properly. Instead of vexing anger at Fax and Mr Abbott and the Council, the Pubteam fans should look closer to home and ask why the Pubteam was not so concerned about a potential sale and did next to nothing. Why are the Pubteam still paying so little rent that when paying a higher rent like Fax would help maybe pay for proper drainage etc.

Spiritual home is all it is. The Shay is concrete and steel around a pitch. Thrum Hall is our spiritual home. But it no longer exists and Fax still survives, even if playing down at the Shay, which lacks the atmosphere of the old Thrum Hall had. Too much emotion is tied to this Spiritual home thing. A club is more than just about its spiritual home or the past. The Shay was not going to be sold and as owners, the Council have the right to look at a bid should somebody want to buy the Shay and dont need to inform anybody. Mr Abbott wanted to keep sport at The Shay and in his opinion help both clubs. Just because small minded people who follow the Pubteam are not happy, does not mean they have to create lies and a hate campaign against Fax, Mr Abbott or the Council. The Hysteria was way over the top. And what did the Pubteam itself actually do about it? If it was so concerned, it would have done more. The actions of the likes of Gavin Butler and his crew were not needed, nor was the lies and hate campaign that started on the Shaymen.net forum.

Halifax Town have never owned the Shay. Why do you keep coming out with this nonsense? The soccer club have only ever been tenants of the council from day one. They sub-let to the speedway for a while and sold the long-term lease back to the council in exchange for a bail out in the 1980's. They then got another lease and gave this up when the first stadium company was created.

Neither, I suppose, were those of HTST and Fax Trust back in 2006 then?

Well piecing together some of the comments form Town Fans is bizarre to say the least.

If there was never any deal in place why all the fuss about a single A4 piece of paper??

The councillors finally saw the light, just how long had they been blinded by two paragraphs on an A4.

The Shay supposedly being up for sale and it's irrelevant for the BOD one of the sitting tennants to comment on it.

Rugby fans being accused of insanity by a Town fan who says others lie all the while claiming to be a rugby fan, get your head round that lot.

Really? I would have thought it were the other way round to be honest but I dont really follow football but would be interested in what facts are.

I were at the meeting too and remember just about what he said. Do you know for a fact that it his TA`s company that is running the payday loan company? Can you say for sure that it is and provide the evidence? I get that the company is listed as running from Reactivs address but like anything in business that could easily be office space that is let out by his company.

I would be very interested in the answers to these questions because I would also be worried if in fact TA did turn out to have companies that did this after strongly denying it.

An imposter ?

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not another one.

I dont have anything against you Gavin for trying to stop the sale of The Shay. But the accusations of what Mr Abbott and others have alleged to have done and your friends over on Shaymen.net, finding it OK to liken Mr Abbott to a Childmolester and accusing him and Mr Steele, as well as the Council, of backhand dealings etc is very wrong. The way a number of your friends over on your forum, have made and continue to make wild accsations and feel its OK to drive somebody out the Town just for wanting to buy the Shay is a disgrace. You dont want the sale of The Shay fair enough and your campaign to stop it OK. But to be part of this campaign to put Mr Abbott in a bad light as much as possible is not.

You claim to be a Rugby fan, like a number of your fellow fans, yet all you do is talk down the Rugby Club. Thats not a fan. The club are far from perfect, but the likes of Abbott, Steele, Riley etc have put much time and effort in to get the club where it is often in a voluntary basis. The record is they have brought a club that was close to going under, to one that is now making small profits and breaking sponsorship deal records.

What angers me is the way you and the Mods have allowed a hate campaign to grow and grow on the Shaymen.net forum against Fax and the likes of Abbott. Steele, etc. The hate campaign against Mr Abbott is now questioning the authenticity of the Heartbeat of Sport. I know the work these guys do and for nothing. Its a disgrace to question the motives of these people.

And by the way I dont even read, let alone post on the Courier Website.

I know how to spell my name , im a Napoli Caroli , the great man was a Milan Cairoli , Charlie knows

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Look please just go away.

I know my mate Charlie and I are not every ones cup of tea. (complaints to the mods about us going off thread?) but Charlie is a good bloke with a passion for Rugby League, can't say the same for the imposter.
I apologise and will do 10 Hail Marys for going off thread.