Dave

You may have seen it but it's just your opinion that it's dull rugby - it's just your opinion that it's caused by the bonus point. That's subjective.

On the other hand - bonus point disadvantages only those teams who lose by more than 12 - mathematical fact. That's objective.

Bearing in mind Rovers have won most of their games by a street over the last few years, how many times has this happened ? It's got to be games where the teams finished about 12 points apart, surely. Five ? Ten ? We're still going to be making policy based on a minority of games.

You seem a fair minded bloke - I bet there have been games where you've just won and said to your mates "they played well today - they deserved something out of the game". Did you mean that ? Or did you just say that just to make people think you're a fair minded bloke.

Finally, two recent results to ponder over.

Halifax 18 York 16 - game hinged on a couple of goalkicks that even the touch judges disagreed on. Bonus point for York.

Workington 6 Fev 62 - Town not at the races. No points.

Seems fair enough to me. Nothing's 100% perfect.

Griff,

Again, I thought you'd done with this subject and you'd be moving on now .............,







So why is it so important to you? I know it was your idea in the first place!







So what classes as objective or subjective? A significant number of people on here have commented on the same, if it is witnessed numberous times by different people, is that still subjective? For example within health you can see some smokers get cancer and some do not, likewise you can observe that some non-smokers get cancer and some do not. Therefore is it not just subjective to suggest that smokers get cancer because of the fact that they smoke? Would they have got cancer anyway? Therefore it can be argued that it is a subjective view that smoking give you cancer, but all the same I doubt there are many people that would disagree that smoking is a contributing factor. And the reason that it is not just seen as subjective is that it has been observered.



Griff,

I'd go further, there are a number of games that I have walked away from (including Swinton [u2012[/u) when I have said "we should have lost that game", and though I would have been disapointed to lose I'd have come away more disapointed in the way we have played than the fact that we had lost.





In my opinion (subjective as it may be) neather team should have recieved ant league points (both lost), the reward for York is that their minus points difference is less than Workington's and therefore if they win and draw the same number of games York are more likely to end up in a higher place than Workington.

Out of interest why should a team lossing 18-4 not get a point and one lossing 18-6 get a point when the only difference was the fact that one team managed a conversion and the other one missed their's? When in terms of contribution to the game the have both put the same in?


So to summarise so far:
- The 3-2-1-0 point's system does make a difference to final league placings compaired to the 2-1-0
- Griff can't leave subjects alown even when he say's he finished with a subject
- I'm as bad (but then again I didn't say I was giving up on the subject
- The 3-2-1-0 system is what we have, and like it or not, it is what we have to play to
- My views are subjective, even though they are observed and shared by others as well as myself
- Griff has a view that if you use less DR players there is a chance that you might get more bonus points (I guess Griff must be right, since the stats prove Fax, Sheff & Fev have won lots of games and only lost a few)
- SL haven't adopted the system, so it probably isn't that great anyway
- The RFL will do what they want as they always do


Griff - I'd be interested to know, and given you a statatision I'm sure you can work it out, are there more games that finish within 12 points over the years we have used the BP system, compaired to say the 5 years prior to the BP system? I.e. has it achieved what it set out to do?

Can't win, Dave, can I ?

If I don't answer your points, you whinge that I've not answered your points.

If I do answer your points, you whinge that I've not moved on.

There must be a couple of hundred posts on this and the other forum on the subject. Go and research them.

I can live with bonus points, I can live without them. They don't make a ha'porth of difference.

They might do if you don't "play well in september"




You can't answer Fevgrinder can you ?

Not without repeating posts already made, no.

Grinder's got an opinion. It's just an opinion.

I wonder if he thinks Barrow is in Cumbria or Lancashire.

I suppose that in 2015 they will either have to drop the bonus point system or make SL adopt it too.

One thing's certain - he won't think Fev's in Wakefield.

Are Eagles actually Sheffield based or do they just fly around....

Are Eagles actually Sheffield based or do they just fly around....

It was you that mentined Fev, Cas and Waky.



The connection.


How




No one knows





as
Wakefield has never been a County and has always been in Yorkshire.



Unlike Cumbria that has Barrow in it when it took over from Lancashire nearly 4 decades ago.

Yes



Oh - it's Yorkshire, now, is it ? Not West Yorkshire. I see.....

There is no West Yorkshire Council. Wakefield council empty the bins round here.



Just a council name. Not a place. Plenty of folk on this thread agreeing with me - there's a real dichotomy of opinion. It's not my fault if you're gullible enough to believe the spin of self-serving, pompous councillors.

Where did I mention anything to do with West Yorkshire Council?

Your making things up and arguing against your own inclusions and then trying to make out someone else has said it, can you actually read correctly.

Yes Wakefield has always been in Yorkshire which would include the original West Riding and the current West Yorkshire, not too hard to understand.

You know someone asks you where you are from and you say Wakefield or Halifax in YORKSHIRE or West Yorkshire.

Likewise in 2013 if asked would the person say they were from Sheffield in the West Riding of Yorkshire or would they may say Sheffield, YORKSHIRE or South Yorkshire.
No one would mention in normal day to day living the West Riding.
Is a big explanation really neccessary, it's like pulling teeth.

What is the obsession with bin men, you seem to mention them a lot.

Cumbria is just a name and not a place.







Look on any map for the north west above Lancashire and tell me what it says in big letters, Cumbria the place or County.

Strange how my sat nav can take me to anywhere in Cumbria but it's not a place and I shouldn't believe it



I have several maps where I can get the same information from and I shouldn't believe them.

How silly of me not to ask a pompous councillor for what something is called and directions on how to get there, I never thought of that.

How do you actually manage to get from place to place, refer to the medieval travellers guide.

Pompous councillors.

This seems another obsession, slagging off anyone associated with councils, we've had bin men, road workers and now pompous councillers.

Have you had a nasty experience with local authorities at sometime?

It goes without saying that everyone on here agrees with everything you say all the time.



I can see the dichotomy within it all.





Bottom line and to cut through smoke screen, garbage and the circles that you try and run round in to cover up your inabilty to accept that.

Barrow is in Cumbria and not Lancashire FACT and nothing you can say or do can change it.













I can also see how this thread has been hijacked and I will not be doing it again, you can have all the credit for that, i'm sure you will have overwhelming agreement and support again. Bye

Griff, causing more derailments than a Spanish train driver!

Faxcar. I suppose you agree with that most obnoxious of names Calderdale? Ask anyone outside The WEST RIDING where it is and I bet they wouldn't have a clue.

Aww, he just likes to disagree with me, Hudd-Shay. It's become a matter of principle.

I disagree.

It's more a question of correcting your frequent mistakes.







And really there is no need to thank me.

I know where Calderdale is and Barrow and Leigh.

Course when I was a young lad I realised things change.

Leigh won the Challenge Cup in 1971 as they did in 1921 and will do again in 2021.

I never mentioned Calderdale and neither agree or disagree with the name, truth is I never give it a thought.

Having done so for a moment or two now, I can see why it was chosen for the area with it having the river Calder running through it.

It is consistent with other areas similarly named, Airedale, Nidderdale etc.

Out of interest what would you have called the area as an alternative?
Does it upset you in some way.?

I'm just really glad it didn't have the river Griff flowing through.

"Griffdale",Ahhhg.



I would have to strongly object to that.



As to people from outside the West Riding knowing of it's existence I can't give an accurate answer as I am not aware of a survey being undertaken on the subject.

I suppose it would depend on number of factures, such as if they had ever visited the place,worked in the place, have relatives there, ever seen it on the news etc.

In that sense it will be no different from a thousand other places that are unknown outside of their immediate locality.
If I needed to find out where it was I would look on a map or do a google.

Wiki says.Calderdale." The Metropolitan Borough of Calderdale is a metropolitan borough of West Yorkshire, England, through which the upper part of the River Calder flows, and from which it takes its name."

If I needed to find out where Barrow is.

Wiki says. "Barrow-in-Furness, (/ˈbæroʊ ɪn ˈfɜrnəs/; commonly known as Barrow) is a large industrial town and seaport in the county of Cumbria, England."

Easy really and quite clear.

Faxcar, perhaps Huddshay and Griff are one and the same or at least engaged.

That's it.



Like being the last dying remnants of "The Failed SheffHudds Merger." With the name and all and psychologically damaged as a result, yes it's coming clearer now to understand.


Anyway what do think about the bonus point.

I think it's in Cumbria.

Why is the name "Calderdale" obnoxious? Anyway I just rang my Uncle Titus A'Ducks in Nashville Tennessee and asked him if he knew where Calderdale was and he said "yes"
So there.

Did it used to be somewhere else.

I would have called the district Halifax.