Then we have a different context of conversation already don't we?? - Ask the player the same question I asked and he will answer differently too wouldn't he? - It wasn't so much what he said to us, more surrounding the depth of the apparent problem and this player seeming so disenchanted with the club and the trainingg set up etc, etc. We asked him a direct question about MC and it was the silence that spoke volumes for us with his gestures and expressions. He aluded to the fact that training (in his opinion) wasn't enough so we asked him what he meant and he expanded, he didn't have to, we didn't push him either. As supporters if a player is openly speaking we tried to push the boundaries for info (as we all would) and we didn't expect such an honest and frank personal assessment but we got it. I just hope the player does air his views (and I'm sure he will) as things do not sound great behind the scenes. Why is that so hard to believe? - I don't think we have played well at all this season and were very lucky on Thursday, when we realisitically should have put a poor Widnes team to bed long before. Our defence is atrocious, our attacking flair is mis-firing to put it kindly and our players don't appear to be playing for each other. If these are the early signs of problems we need to banish them now or the season could be ruined before it gets going. A defeat to Leigh and Fev could be too much for the board to swallow off the back of this. I do trust them but I would expect them to be watching over MC's shoulder at the moment too.

Where rumours and Halifax RLFC are concerned there is never any smoke without fire.

We also SHOULD NOT be losing at home to a side below us in the league who for 25% of the game played with 12 men irrespective of our game on Thursday. They out-thused us in every dept and looked the better organised side. The big question is do the players care? - We will find out on Sunday, god help us if they don't.

By the same token I've followed the club long enough to know the majority of rumours are absolute Bowlocks.

You entitled to air your opinion and quote what people have told you, that isn't the problem. As I posted, a member of the coaching staff and a senior player made a quick exit after the game for one reason or another. It just smacks a bit that whenever we lose it is obviously down to player unrest and/or alleged player activity. It doesn't explain the grit and togetherness we showed on Thursday does it? These problems only come to the fore when we lose.

Don't forget boozing it in the changing rooms before matches

By the same token if it was just rumour then fair enough but a player told me to my face along with another 5 supporters about issues currently. You would be surprised if I told you. For me getting it directly from the horses mouth isn't a rumour is it?

I personally don't think Thursday was a game to be "proud" of. We were poor just not as poor as Widnes. A good side on form will bury us on any of this seasons performances and I am worried about our next 2 games. I hope I eat my words.

You claim not to be proud of a Halifax team that goes to Widnes and comes away with a win, a win is a win however it is obtained, regardless of the performance or opposition.
Can't see your point Chris.

I'm a proud Halifax fan but I don't have to be proud of every performance. Widnes was a lucky win which all fans are happy to take when you underperform. Did I walk away thinking we were world beaters . . . . NO just very fortunate that Widnes played worse than we did.

Get my point now? - No I thought not but then again its not your view is it.

Can understand where Chris is coming from and I also do have a number of concerns-I thought to some degree we was lucky at Widnes and the win papered over some of the cracks-poor defence, Attack mis-firing etc. However is airing them on here the right way? No right or wrong answer for me. People have different thoughts on this. I would have asked Player X if he had shared his concerns with the Coaching Staff-not just MC as well as other players. Surely its only these people than can change things IF (not doubting you or the player) and when problems occur. You are always going to have problems to a certain extent with 20 odd players and no Second team. I can imagine certain fringe players not being happy after a while. But they had a big chance to impress on Sunday-and blew it!

Fair point mate, I am not a RL player and never was but have been watching the game all my life and I do know one thing - it is full of very unprofessional and selfish people who want their own way and start saying stuff when its not going their way = players.
Now I am not saying all Chris and others have heard is not true but funny how last year all was well in the camp and now a few players are unhappy, you got to ask why do they tell speccies should it not be 'what goes on the mile stays on the mile?'
Now I must also add that the clubs themselves are not as professional as they should be its one of the reasons why RL is still a minority sport imo.
I must add there is not the money in the game to do what football does!

Now now everyone lwts not start arguements this early in the season eh.

I think its fair enough Chris has concerns. Lets just consider it from a different point of view though. This 'certain player' has raised concerns etc so fair enough to post on here if you wish. However looking at it from a different angle, its difficult for a coach to get it right by everyone, not all players will get on as well with the coach as everyone else, think of your own work place and after a bad day people like to have a moan. It wouldn't have been good if the player had been all happy and jokey after a terrible game so maybe that had something to do with it. If not and the player is unhappy it doesn't mean everyone else is so lets try not to worry so much. On the same matter though i do find it a little odd that players say things like this to fans but thats just me!

On the similar rumour mill topic if someone hears rumours and wants to post i have heard someone is leaving, or whatever, you may as well post saying who or not bother posting because it least it may seem a little more factual then. Again just my view.

Anyway Fax onwards and upwards, i'm sure it will take a lot of character to come back from this in a positive manner but come on put these rumours to bed.

can't believe you had to play on Sunday, after a 'tough' game at Widnes on thursday.
Hunslet got lucky, now you are gonna take it out on us on Sunday - NOT HAPPY !

Think there is a lot of speculation and crap on here at the moment and think discussing this on here just adding credability to it.

Widnes are not going on about the rumours of Thackeray going to Catalans. They wait till its announced...