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| For what its worth I once won some money on the Lottery, it does not make me a maths genius.
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| Quote ="Greg Florimos Boots"The bookies have to balance their books and with Leigh been such short favorites they have to offer "value" somewhere else with a team that punters can go "Oooh Halifax look a good bet at 40-1 when all the time they know there isnt a chance in hell of said team topping the table but it will make up some of the losses they make on Leigh.Please take no offense because I mean none but you are a bookies dream having a couple of quid on Fax.
Edit - Ive just checked on Betfair, no odds for the Championship but only £1400 matched on SL for next season. In comparison there is a Israeli Womens premier league game going on with 80K matched. Theres so little money backed on Championship rugby that its very unlikely that the market will move that much from the starting prices(which are set for reasons explained above) at least until a lot closer to the season.'"
Tbh, a couple of £ on Fax at 40-1 doesn't feel that bad to me? 40 attempts and just one success with RM at the helm? Doesn't sound unreasonable? Regardless, I've wagered the price of a pint, and however unlikely it is, we can all dream... (and the missus get's a meal out if we win!!!!).
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| ...oh, and a couple of £ ain't going to make me any bookies dream!!!!!
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| The last time you Muppets suggested fax for 6th/7th look what happened in the middle 8s. Who finished where
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| Quote ="Greg Florimos Boots"For what its worth I once won some money on the Lottery, it does not make me a maths genius.'"
Very True GFB ,Charlie thinks he's a Rugby expert because he won the Fax Comp,let's see how he fares this year,that's if he even enters.
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| Quote ="HXSparky"...oh, and a couple of £ ain't going to make me any bookies dream!!!!!'"
Sorry, wasnt meant to look as though I were having a go, just trying to get a point across about the bookies and where their money comes from.
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| I think that gfb's initial assessment is what I would go with
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| Quote ="charlie caroli"BIJ yes I have predicted 7 th spot for Fax next season , though nowt to do with the Bookies prices,I suggest you ask the Bookies to give you a price on Fax without Leigh being in the betting you might get 5 or 6 to 1, could be more.
As for my knowledge of our great game?I did win the Fax Fantasy League fairly easy and will be trying to repeat it next season,so I must know something, we all have our opinions though.Again Andy likes to watch Leigh , he says we remind him of the Wigan team he played for I know he looking forward to the Fax game at the Shay next season,as much as I am,not long to wait.
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Ian, where do you get 7th place for Fax? How the hell did you win the Fax fantasy league? The Shay Wake, Shaw. Driftwood Pale Ale 5.0 % Mmm!
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| Quote ="Hudd-Shay"Ian, where do you get 7th place for Fax? How the hell did you win the Fax fantasy league?
The Shay Wake, Shaw. Driftwood Pale Ale 5.0 % Mmm!
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Sorry Pete,it's just my opinion,I think it will be a great League this year ,for me Leigh should be top ,provided they can gel together,Bradford should be second ,then it's hey boys hey after with Sheffield , Fax , Fev,London, Dews,maybe even Batley going for the other places, I'm not impressed with the signings Fax have made ,sorry but again it's my opinion,obviously RM is a very good Coach , but I think opposing teams will wise up to Fax after last season's great run in you had, my dark horses are Dews.
As for how I won the Fax Fantasy Comp? I'm keeping my tactics quiet as I'm trying to win it again next season.I'm sure you and all my Fax friends won't listen to my predictions,what do I know?Fax will finish in 3rd or 4th spot .
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| Quote ="charlie caroli"Sorry Pete,it's just my opinion,I think it will be a great League this year ,for me Leigh should be top ,provided they can gel together,Bradford should be second ,then it's hey boys hey after with Sheffield , Fax , Fev,London, Dews,maybe even Batley going for the other places, I'm not impressed with the signings Fax have made ,sorry but again it's my opinion,obviously RM is a very good Coach , but I think opposing teams will wise up to Fax after last season's great run in you had, my dark horses are Dews.
As for how I won the Fax Fantasy Comp? I'm keeping my tactics quiet as I'm trying to win it again next season.I'm sure you and all my Fax friends won't listen to my predictions,what do I know?Fax will finish in 3rd or 4th spot
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Ian, go to Fax's official website, there is a photo of Richard having just heard of your prediction.
It's called the Halifax stare, and is much more potent than a Glasgow kiss.
Stay indoors for a few days if I were you.
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| Quote ="charlie caroli"Sorry Pete,it's just my opinion,I think it will be a great League this year ,for me Leigh should be top ,provided they can gel together,Bradford should be second ,then it's hey boys hey after with Sheffield , Fax , Fev,London, Dews,maybe even Batley going for the other places, I'm not impressed with the signings Fax have made ,sorry but again it's my opinion,obviously RM is a very good Coach , but I think opposing teams will wise up to Fax after last season's great run in you had, my dark horses are Dews.
As for how I won the Fax Fantasy Comp? I'm keeping my tactics quiet as I'm trying to win it again next season.I'm sure you and all my Fax friends won't listen to my predictions,what do I know?Fax will finish in 3rd or 4th spot
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| Quote ="halifaxjohn"Ian, go to Fax's official website, there is a photo of Richard having just heard of your prediction.
It's called the Halifax stare, and is much more potent than a Glasgow kiss.
Stay indoors for a few days if I were you.
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| Quote ="Mr Jagger"Charlie I'm tempted to DOUBLE our wager ,you know NOWT about Rugby even less about Fax ,we have the best Coach in the Division the best Team spirit ,and a very good group of loyal fans,Leigh might have the overpaid superstars but can they play as a group?The Bookies think so I'm not convinced.'"
Good Evening Tezzer,hope you are well?I wish you would double our wager it would be like giving a Donkey strawberries as for my knowledge on Rugby?I'm happy with what I know,I would also contest your claim to having the BEST Coach in the Division I admit RM is a good Coach but to make this claim on the back of winning 7or 8 consecutive league games is a tad early, we will see where you finish at the end of the season.Anyway before that have a Happy New Year. .
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| Quote ="littlerich"Sheffield have a current squad of 20. It's nearly January. Either they've cocked up big style or they're going to announce a glut of signings imminently. Either way - they can't be prepared. I'd have us finishing above them at the moment.'"
I agree Rich, Sheffield might struggle for top 4 this season. Will be interesting to see how London do after last seasons shambles
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| Quote ="charlie caroli"Good Evening Tezzer,hope you are well?I wish you would double our wager
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I admit RM is a good Coach but to make this claim on the back of winning 7or 8 consecutive league games is a tad early, we will see where you finish at the end of the season.Anyway before that have a Happy New Year.
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Charlie its time to put up or shut up, I will Double our wager,I'm convinced Fax will finish 2nd in the League , I'm not convinced Leigh will finish first, so You Sir have a bet,all this smug talk about teams reading RMS and Faxes tactics is like Hudd Shay giving up the beer,Charlie boy,get thi cash out.
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| Quote ="Mr Jagger"Charlie its time to put up or shut up, I will Double our wager,I'm convinced Fax will finish 2nd in the League , I'm not convinced Leigh will finish first, so You Sir have a bet,all this smug talk about teams reading RMS and Faxes tactics is like Hudd Shay giving up the beer,Charlie boy,get thi cash out.
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| Its just giving money away, Leigh will win the league comfortably with the team they have.
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| Quote ="littlerich"Sheffield have a current squad of 20. It's nearly January. Either they've cocked up big style or they're going to announce a glut of signings imminently. Either way - they can't be prepared. I'd have us finishing above them at the moment.'"
Thats why I cant understand people saying they expect Sheffield to be stronger this season. They must be simply basing it on them going full time rather than their recruitment.
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| Quote ="littlerich"Sheffield have a current squad of 20. It's nearly January. Either they've cocked up big style or they're going to announce a glut of signings imminently. Either way - they can't be prepared. I'd have us finishing above them at the moment.'"
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| Quote ="Cokey"Gee whiz Rubber Lips, You must have plenty of dough.
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| Quote ="Greg Florimos Boots"Its just giving money away, Leigh will win the league comfortably with the team they have.'"
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| Leigh have the players and the recovery time so barring some sort of catastrophe they should top the league by some distance.
I think mentally Bradford still haven't come to terms with life in the championship and could easily be knocked off course. Their squad is decent enough but nothing that should give our boys sleepless nights; they have a very average coach who can flare up at any time with an owner who's not ready to forgive as easily in 2016.
Contrary to others I think our recruitment has been excellent, no wholesale changes, subtle additions of quality in all areas. Can't wait to see Sharp in action, Miles back, Smeaton will up competition and possibly a new hall back pairing. I think our back line this season will be twice as good as last year and for people to say that teams will work us out baffles me to be honest when last year virtually everything went through Muzza.
Then there's our pack which is as good as owt going, all with different styles, all improving their ball skills on a weekly basis with no lack of controlled aggression.
Grix - Could be a master stroke. I'm just praying Lady Luck is with us injury wise with all the players.
TEAM SPIRIT - We have it in spades.
RM - Very lucky to have him. Fax have never had the like before, very refreshing.
Therefore I'm going for us to pip Bradford for that second spot. As for the rest I really don't know how how Fev, Sheffield and London are going to fair to be honest, no one should underestimate them though.
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We have improved our squad from last season. Miles like a new signing. Gav Bennion one to watch. Would say Simon Grix is our marquee signing and prior to been injured was a regular in a strong Warrington team. Anyone who suggests we haven't gone out and signed a big name forgets its a team game. We have a strong squad and in my opinion expect us to be challenging for 4th place.
Fantastic young coach who will in my opinion coach in Super League one day.
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