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Looking at last weekend's attendances, I really don't think they can get much lower even if streamed.
Fev's crowds seem to be falling off a cliff - 1,345 against Barrow.
Swinton attracted just 1,048 against SL wanabees Wakey who would most likely have taken a few hundred.
Toulouse got 2,079 against Sheffield in a top of the table clash.
Donny got 1,443 against Fax.
The biggest laugh was 3,006 given at Bradford against Dewsbury. I say laugh, because watching the highlights the terracing behind the sticks was empty, the seating stand opposite looked to have 200 tops, so almost 3k must have been in the terracing below the camera. Hmmmm ... maybe a Bulls fan would care to verify this?
Batley and Haven didn't disclose their crowds, but they're usually in the mid hundreds.
If anything, an interested armchair fan watching a streamed match may be tempted to actually attend the next time round if he/she liked what they saw.'"
Just posting what I’d read and included the link.
On attending where you had to pay I’m sure I read someone somewhere had been put off by the admission prices and was now becoming a armchair fan.
I think the user name was something like Foney Tax or similar. 
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| Quote Tony Fax="Tony Fax"I thought Bradford gave away free tickets anyway!
Looking at last weekend's attendances, I really don't think they can get much lower even if streamed.
Fev's crowds seem to be falling off a cliff - 1,345 against Barrow.
Swinton attracted just 1,048 against SL wanabees Wakey who would most likely have taken a few hundred.
Toulouse got 2,079 against Sheffield in a top of the table clash.
Donny got 1,443 against Fax.
The biggest laugh was 3,006 given at Bradford against Dewsbury. I say laugh, because watching the highlights the terracing behind the sticks was empty, the seating stand opposite looked to have 200 tops, so almost 3k must have been in the terracing below the camera. Hmmmm ... maybe a Bulls fan would care to verify this?
Batley and Haven didn't disclose their crowds, but they're usually in the mid hundreds.
If anything, an interested armchair fan watching a streamed match may be tempted to actually attend the next time round if he/she liked what they saw.'"
Its hard to see the game continuing as semi professional at this level, teams losing money hand over fist. I think our average is down around 400-500 or so from previous seasons and the Wakefield game was the lowest attendance I have seen from Fax fans in a long time. Without a money man most teams are basically insolvent unless they are fortunate enough to own their own ground.
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| Quote faxcar="faxcar"Just posting what I’d read and included the link.
On attending where you had to pay I’m sure I read someone somewhere had been put off by the admission prices and was now becoming a armchair fan.
I think the user name was something like Foney Tax or similar.
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Too right, faxcar, , even though I don't think I'll ever become a 100% armchair fan unless the admission continues to go up!
But alas, I'm not immortal and one day I would hope I will be replaced by a "new" fax fan when I'm finally laid to rest.. But that's where I think the "churn" has now hit a brick wall. I reckon there's about 1,300 all weather fax fans left. How many of those are new in the past 10 years do you reckon? Anyone's guess. 100? 1,000? Hardly any IMO.
Not just Fax. Look at the attendances. Fev! Sheffield! Even Widnes struggle to break 2k.
Haven will be the first. Then wait for the rest .........................
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| Quote Tony Fax="Tony Fax"Too right, faxcar, , even though I don't think I'll ever become a 100% armchair fan unless the admission continues to go up!
But alas, I'm not immortal and one day I would hope I will be replaced by a "new" fax fan when I'm finally laid to rest.. But that's where I think the "churn" has now hit a brick wall. I reckon there's about 1,300 all weather fax fans left. How many of those are new in the past 10 years do you reckon? Anyone's guess. 100? 1,000? Hardly any IMO.
Not just Fax. Look at the attendances. Fev! Sheffield! Even Widnes struggle to break 2k.
Haven will be the first. Then wait for the rest .........................'"
I honestly just don’t know what’s going to happen but as you say the empty terraces can’t be disputed.
Fax could be one of the first to go as we’ve got serious challenges in the board room, on the field with performance and off the field with the stadium issues all here at the same time.
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Fax could be one of the first to go as we’ve got serious challenges in the board room, on the field with performance and off the field with the stadium issues all here at the same time.'"
Maybe so, but I think Fax will always be around even if it's a mid table League 1 club.
Still waiting for London and Warrington to file their accounts (they're both overdue - maybe the IMG should deduct them points?) then I'll summarise the SL clubs.
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Looking bleak for us.'"
Not good reading. Feel sick to my stomach. I can’t see us getting another 1000 people through the gates let alone against Dewsbury (no disrespect).
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Looking bleak for us.'"
Here we go again.
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| We can all see that virtually all the RL clubs, including Super League, are insolvent. The sport as a whole has been sleep walking into oblivion. Wait for others to follow.
Probably the best option would be to go into administration otherwise it's just throwing good money after bad, kicking the can down the road, with the same outcome. Then start with a clean slate in League 1, get rid of the white elephant and tap the Council for a much smaller new stadium which should pay for itself through additional income streams.
The debt has become far too large - £540k in 2023, probably much worse now. Cannot possibly see the club digging itself out of this huge hole.
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| There is no way the council would sell the shay site for housing/ shopping or what ever and then plow that revenue into a new stadium. Even if that stadium is smaller. One the council sell the Shay, and I feel they will sooner than later, they will be done with supporting professional sport in this town.
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| From the statement the tax man is the main debtor they want to serve first. However in your initial post TF you stated the money owed to the tax man was 47k alone. Goodness knows what it is now.
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| Doesn't look good at all. Hope you lot can get through it. I'll be happy to put my hand in my pocket if need be. We all need to stick together as it's clear that all clubs are in the same boat.
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| I think a Bradford Bulls fan has said it best on FB, as much as we are all fans, be very careful what you put in to the club and do not put in more than you can afford because it has to be close to zero chance that you would ever see any of that money back. The BOD or whatever is left to them need to be very clear from this point because over two weeks we have had very different outlooks from them and I think they need to lay all the cards on the table which they are not doing at the moment.
What is the plan for the future? We are clearly not managing the debt and fans donating money as "loans" is certainly not a long term answer. I think Dvada on the other thread puts it right when he asks about the board saying where this 700k that they have supposedly put in has gone. The main question at this point with HMRC likely to wind the club up, if they refused an extension is highly likely that we have asked for and used them previously and this is the final notice, is it worth the club carrying on? May as well start afresh with a clean slate and lets get out of the Shay and get begging to other clubs for somewhere more sustainable to play. What a mess.
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| That Panthers rebrand really worked wonders didnt it!!
Paying big money you didnt have to Eden and Widdop , not paying HMRC or stadium rent and now wanting fans to bail you out.
Should be a points deduction and relegated to League 1, along with being stripped of next years central funding which should be re disributed accross the other Championship teams.
Teams like Fax need to cut their cloth accordingley.
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I can only guess what the monthly PAYE creditor "should" be, but £47k did seem rather high when I first looked at the accounts. I've looked at Widnes and York and they had similar amounts outstanding. Fax did say in today's statement that other clubs have also asked for extensions. Like GFB says .... "What a mess".
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Paying big money you didnt have to Eden and Widdop , not paying HMRC or stadium rent and now wanting fans to bail you out.
Should be a points deduction and relegated to League 1, along with being stripped of next years central funding which should be re disributed accross the other Championship teams.
Teams like Fax need to cut their cloth accordingley.'"
Very poor trolling attempt. Must try harder.
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Like Bullseye, I hope things work out for you. Really.
Probably because of my age, I've always seen you as a potential BIG club. Well, at least bigger than some of IMG's A-rated ones now.
Fans of rival teams gloating at the prospect of the demise of another rugby league club should be shot.
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Like Bullseye, I hope things work out for you. Really.
Probably because of my age, I've always seen you as a potential BIG club. Well, at least bigger than some of IMG's A-rated ones now.
Fans of rival teams gloating at the prospect of the demise of another rugby league club should be shot.'"
I think tony fax has a shotgun.
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Ok, shot in the dark time, but it's obvious the council needs a partner for the site. You guys might know more but have they actually approached anyone? Logically (i know, this is local government...) with the Piece Hall taking off, there will be demand for more hotel capacity. There's a decent amount of land there, and obviously really close to the centre and train station as well. Could a national hotel chain be persuaded to come in? Offer them the South stand to demolish and build a 3 or 4 storey hotel across the bottom of the ground, incorporating that unfinished segment in the corner. Leaving the ground, 3 stands, a hotel partner anchoring it. Or has this ship sailed in the current climate?
After what we went through, I know far too much now about insolvencies, administrators, the poisoned chalice of rfl "help" so I really feel sorry for you guys. Hope it can get sorted.
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Quote Highlander="Highlander"Ok, shot in the dark time, but it's obvious the council needs a partner for the site. You guys might know more but have they actually approached anyone? Logically (i know, this is local government...) with the Piece Hall taking off, there will be demand for more hotel capacity. There's a decent amount of land there, and obviously really close to the centre and train station as well. Could a national hotel chain be persuaded to come in? Offer them the South stand to demolish and build a 3 or 4 storey hotel across the bottom of the ground, incorporating that unfinished segment in the corner. Leaving the ground, 3 stands, a hotel partner anchoring it. Or has this ship sailed in the current climate?
After what we went through, I know far too much now about insolvencies, administrators, the poisoned chalice of rfl "help" so I really feel sorry for you guys. Hope it can get sorted.'"
Back in 2019 there was this article in the Courier, bit of a read with all the adverts but it answers some of the questions.
https://www.halifaxcourier.co.uk/news/p ... ium-983519
Here's the text without the ads.
Hotel potential at The Shay as blueprint is drawn up to develop the stadium
By Ian Hirst
Published 18th Apr 2019, 12:53 BST
Updated 18th Apr 2019, 13:04 BST
The Shay Stadium in Halifax
The future of the Shay Stadium will be put in the spotlight as Calderdale Council leaders discuss how the complex can be developed.
Calderdale Council’s director of public services Zohrah Zancudi has outlined in a report to the Place scrutiny board the potential developments of the stadium.
One of the key aspects is the future of the West Stand after a structural survey revealed a number of issues.
In her report Zohrah Zancudi said: “It is likely that in the next couple of years the stand could be condemned. This would result in a decision being required over whether to close the stand or make significant investment.
“We had looked to work with a hotel building company to provide a hotel at the stadium.
“This was linked to the development of the annex and the progress stopped at this stage. If demand exists for another hotel in Halifax then Corporate Asset and Facilities Management can be requested to look into this with a development company.”
The closure of the West Stand would not affect the provision of games to both professional clubs due to current attendance figures as currently only two of the four stands are used for match days.
The report also showed how vital it was for the council to work with both FC Halifax Town and Halifax RLFC to help with development of the Shay.
“The Shay Stadium is the principal sporting venue in Calderdale and in terms of size and operational capacity it offers great potential for future growth in both sport and event management,” said the Calderdale Council director.
“There remain challenges to realise this potential fully; we need to look at the stadium as a whole and develop a strategy for development.
“The next stage of development could depend on the success of both professional clubs.
“We need to look at how we can support and enable the clubs to be more successful. We need to work closely with both clubs to increase revenue to allow investment.”
One option is potential sponsorship of the stadium.
There is currently no sponsorship agreement for the Shay, with the previous sponsor going into administration. The intention is now for the council to work with the clubs to seek more sponsorship opportunities.
A number of development proposals have been considered in the past to move the stadium onto a more commercial footing including the sale of the annex .
The Council spoke to two potential buyers of the annex but at the latter stages of both negotiations the deals fell through.
There has been no further interest in this space.
Potential use as a storage facility for the Council could be considered. The Asset Planning Team have recently estimated £70,000 to remove the structure.
As there is no financial benefit to this then unless the Council need the space for a commercial venture it will keep it mothballed.
Positive financial outlook
The accounts for the Shay Stadium show a projected operating deficit of £214,035 for the financial year 2018-19.
However, if you factor in the cost that the council would otherwise have to pay for office space used by staff at the stadium and to hire rooms for training outside the organisation it comes to £170,000.
If this is taken into account then the overall operating loss is £44,000. It is expected that this can be reduced to zero by the end of financial year 2019-20.
The main sources of income for the Shay Stadium come from the rugby and football clubs and from the catering companies contracted to provide services there.
In addition, income is received from the various organisations that use the Shay Stadium regularly.
The council says it will continue to invest in the stadium to keep it safe.
The Place Scrutiny Board will meet to discuss the plan tonight (Thursday) at Halifax town hall at 6pm.
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After what we went through, I know far too much now about insolvencies, administrators, the poisoned chalice of rfl "help" so I really feel sorry for you guys. Hope it can get sorted.'"
Back in 2019 there was this article in the Courier, bit of a read with all the adverts but it answers some of the questions.
https://www.halifaxcourier.co.uk/news/p ... ium-983519
Here's the text without the ads.
Hotel potential at The Shay as blueprint is drawn up to develop the stadium
By Ian Hirst
Published 18th Apr 2019, 12:53 BST
Updated 18th Apr 2019, 13:04 BST
The Shay Stadium in Halifax
The future of the Shay Stadium will be put in the spotlight as Calderdale Council leaders discuss how the complex can be developed.
Calderdale Council’s director of public services Zohrah Zancudi has outlined in a report to the Place scrutiny board the potential developments of the stadium.
One of the key aspects is the future of the West Stand after a structural survey revealed a number of issues.
In her report Zohrah Zancudi said: “It is likely that in the next couple of years the stand could be condemned. This would result in a decision being required over whether to close the stand or make significant investment.
“We had looked to work with a hotel building company to provide a hotel at the stadium.
“This was linked to the development of the annex and the progress stopped at this stage. If demand exists for another hotel in Halifax then Corporate Asset and Facilities Management can be requested to look into this with a development company.”
The closure of the West Stand would not affect the provision of games to both professional clubs due to current attendance figures as currently only two of the four stands are used for match days.
The report also showed how vital it was for the council to work with both FC Halifax Town and Halifax RLFC to help with development of the Shay.
“The Shay Stadium is the principal sporting venue in Calderdale and in terms of size and operational capacity it offers great potential for future growth in both sport and event management,” said the Calderdale Council director.
“There remain challenges to realise this potential fully; we need to look at the stadium as a whole and develop a strategy for development.
“The next stage of development could depend on the success of both professional clubs.
“We need to look at how we can support and enable the clubs to be more successful. We need to work closely with both clubs to increase revenue to allow investment.”
One option is potential sponsorship of the stadium.
There is currently no sponsorship agreement for the Shay, with the previous sponsor going into administration. The intention is now for the council to work with the clubs to seek more sponsorship opportunities.
A number of development proposals have been considered in the past to move the stadium onto a more commercial footing including the sale of the annex .
The Council spoke to two potential buyers of the annex but at the latter stages of both negotiations the deals fell through.
There has been no further interest in this space.
Potential use as a storage facility for the Council could be considered. The Asset Planning Team have recently estimated £70,000 to remove the structure.
As there is no financial benefit to this then unless the Council need the space for a commercial venture it will keep it mothballed.
Positive financial outlook
The accounts for the Shay Stadium show a projected operating deficit of £214,035 for the financial year 2018-19.
However, if you factor in the cost that the council would otherwise have to pay for office space used by staff at the stadium and to hire rooms for training outside the organisation it comes to £170,000.
If this is taken into account then the overall operating loss is £44,000. It is expected that this can be reduced to zero by the end of financial year 2019-20.
The main sources of income for the Shay Stadium come from the rugby and football clubs and from the catering companies contracted to provide services there.
In addition, income is received from the various organisations that use the Shay Stadium regularly.
The council says it will continue to invest in the stadium to keep it safe.
The Place Scrutiny Board will meet to discuss the plan tonight (Thursday) at Halifax town hall at 6pm.
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| The only 2 options for survival imo are total opposites
1. Somehow engineer purchasing the shay. Personally i cant see it happening .
2. Probably the real chance of survival is to get out of theshay and find an alternative home where you could grow with your own earnings from a bar and function area. I can only realistically think of one place and they also play under the name Halifax.
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| Still waiting for Warrington and London in SL, so had a look at some League 1 clubs who have filed their 2023 accounts:
Hunslet - loss of (£45k); net assets of £107k; employees 47
Rochdale - Profit of £25k; net assets of £65k; employees 12
Midlands Hurricanes - Loss of (£188k); net liabilities of (£295k); employees 22
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| Quote Tony Fax="Tony Fax"Still waiting for Warrington and London in SL, so had a look at some League 1 clubs who have filed their 2023 accounts:
Hunslet - loss of (£45k); net assets of £107k; employees 47
Rochdale - Profit of £25k; net assets of £65k; employees 12
Midlands Hurricanes - Loss of (£188k); net liabilities of (£295k); employees 22 (has a multimillionaire owner)'"
Accounts don't show it, but Midlands are comfortable. And doing the right things to grow & develop.
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