No, I asked for a link as I hadn't seen anything published from the RFL about the money being proposed.

So you agree with our chairman? He says it's the best thing for our club and is backing it.

Yes - I agree with Mr Steele that nothing's been agreed. Except, of course that Mr Steele and I agree.

Look - this isn't as big an issue as you're making it. I'm just saying that it's not a good idea to say "Yay !! these new leagues will be fantastic!! Let's vote yes, yes, yes!!" before finding out what the financial arrangements will be.

If you disagree with that, fine. But don't complain if it turns out to be not as good as you thought.

So, are we any nearer naming & shaming the heckler yet ?

I heard a name yesterday but forgotten it now. No one I knew anyway

Maybe an important point concerning the money is being overlooked.

It is not automatically neccessary that you would have to sign someone better than the club allready has onboard.

Why not.

Part of the solution would have to do with make their current playing staff FULLTIME players as opposed to partime.

This would allow them to reach their full potential and quite a few of them would make the grade.

This would be where some of the extra money would have to go.

Anyone training and living in a fulltime enviroment must get better and would increase the number of quality players across the comp, contary to the view that standards would drop drastically in a reasonably short period of time the opposite would happen.

Even distribution of funding allowing more to go fulltime is key to resolving a number of issues.

So .... would you give up your job for 14 weeks employment at a rugby league club with no guarantee of a full time job beyond that ?

Not being argumentative here - but these are the things players have to consider.

Are not these the things full time players at every club currently and going back as far as you can think have allready considered?

If it was such a problem then there would hardly have been any full time players outside the top earners ever.

The alternative is to ask part timers to play regularly against full timers, how would that work out results wise in the long run.

and what happened to the photo?

Being offered a contract for a couple of years and being offered one for 14 weeks are totally different animals.

Jobs not easy to come by round here. Is Halifax any better ?

irony of slim phone belonging to fat bloke.

Firstly I must apologise for answering to things that have the thread going completely off topic.

Sorry Griff you have completely lost me mate, your arguing with your own posts again.

The question was about money and you saying clubs having to import players at short notice with none being available.
Part of the answer was they would not need to import players because some of the extra money would be used to develope what they allready had if it was thought they could make the grade.

To get the maximum improvement and to compete with what existing clubs allready do and have done for years would be to go fulltime.Not just the players but the club would have to go to a fulltime mentality.

All the things this would involve would of course need carefull consideration.

Regarding the players their job would be a fulltime rugby league player so how does local unemployment come into it.

Where did the talk about 14 weeks or 2 years get introduced, er, you did it.

Of course the circumstances of each player would have to be considered, it's just basic common sense.

An example would be older players are very likely to allready have a job whether it be a trade or some academic proffesion that they would give up for the time they played fulltime or maybe work at it part time and then return to later.

Younger players would have negotiated with their club to receive some form of qualifications, training, etc when they were not playing or training, the clubs would have probably taken the lead in all of this so that there was going to be something in place when their playing days come to an end.
This is in fact what many of the fulltime Super League clubs are doing now with carrear advisors in place for this.

The club and the players need to be able to go fulltime and have the funding in place to accomplish this and all the different aspects that this will entail.

You can't have a part time club compete on or off the field with a fulltime club and expect to be competative or to survive for very long, the infrastrucute would have to change and this is where the money would go and not neccessarily on going out and buying just some extra players to quickly make a team out of.

This takes time and that was one of the things licensing was meant to accomplish but hasn't worked for a number of reasons.
One of these was in a short period of time (the old promotion and relegation) meant the step up was to big to take and the step down was more like a fall so they would stop p&r and give x number of years for the new club to adjust.

The removal of p&r has divided the game, bitterly in some cases.

The option of the 12 x 12 x 8 at least gives the chance for p&r to work, ambtious clubs a smaller more realistic step to take and any clubs who are not doing so well a option to step back without falling over completely.
It could go a long way it preventing stagnation with little chance of progression, avoid meaningless games with nothing to play for and enable all clubs to be able to live by their current means.

Very unlikely to happen anyway as the Super League clubs will vote for what is only in their interests as I suppose any club would do.

We obviously need a separate thread for this.

Are you saying that clubs in the Phase 1 Division 2 will become full time ? On £180k of central funding ? How will that work ?

Failing that - how can you ask players to be part time in phase 1, then step up to full time for three or four months of the summer ? How much will you need to pay them to make it worth their while ?

The point about unemployment - and I thought it was a crystal clear one to be fair - is that, if it doesn't work out, players can't just expect to walk into another job come September.

Nor do I really accept your point that players will instantaneously become better just because they're full time. They may improve their strength and fitness over a period of time, true, but that's unlikely to happen over the course of four months. What you'll end up doing is paying more money for the same standard of player.

Let's be realistic - if the three eights comes in, 14 places in the top two divisions will be taken by the current $uperleague clubs. That leaves two for the current Championship sides (and I haven't even considered Toulouse being thrown into the Melting Pot). Unless you've got a spare Dr Marwan floating around, I'd consider it highly unlikely that Halifax - or any club in our division - will make the Phase I Division 1 the following season. Three eights will be a bad move for the likes of Fev, Sheffield, Halifax, et al.

Said it many times before - sort out the funding, then the competition.

Griff phase 1 division 2 full time and all that followed??
Where was that mentioned??
Players becoming instantly better??

You are making it up again, where do you get these additions from and them apply them to others.

To have any meaningfull conversation you have to be able to look beyond the obvious and not ask if someone is refering to something that is ridiculous in the first place eg: phase 1 division 2 full time

yes of course that's what I meant.

Start a new thread and put some positive sugestions in place that you feel will will work instead of waiting for someone else to comment and then just finding fault with what they say.

Have you ever come up with an answer or is it nothing will work.


If so what is it and why will it work.
This is your big chance to drag the game from the mire.
Can't wait for the new "Solution" thread.
Over to you. New thread please.

Right guys, have a look at my twitter account @ackropj I have just put the picture of the heckler on there. Don't know how to do it here.

You've obviously not thought anything through.

Solution? See above - Sort the finances first, not as an afterthought.

Griff.

How is that any different from what I have said without all the made up conjecture.

Namely it is vital that there is an even distribution of funding for it to work.

With an addition from me that some of that money would be spent by some of the clubs at some appropriate time in changing to a fulltime enviroment to keep pace with what the clubs they will be playing against are allready doing

None of it would instantly happen but it would be planned for by the clubs who want to progress.

At the moment there is no progressive avenue open, even Super League is an island with only a few beauty spots.

From something as obvious as even funding we get 14 weeks, 2 years, giving up your job as if something like that hasn't allready been successfully dealt with and would not be considered.

Anyway in my case I obviously haven't given it any thought but you of course have, how arrogant is that.

It's just a forum that will have no effect on the outcomes whatsoever.

I am an amatuer who will be way of the mark with most of it but at least I am trying to look at the options that others have put on the table none of which are a miricle cure and trying to see which is the best for the game as a whole as well as my club and while doing so without constant emphasis on finding fault with and ridiculing others.

<sigh>

I have a different opinion to you.

It's not some personal insult.

This is getting as boring as the 106 pages of SL gates declining on the VT forum.

How can you speculate how much any team has to spend, when the Jokers who run the game haven't a clue.

All it leads to is what the leaders of the game want, a Two class system where instead of fans joining together, each set of fans slagging each other off. In my opinion, reading a lot of the threads on all the Forums, they are half way there.

You have your own opinion and that's it and often several different opinons from your first one on the same subject in the same thread but having thought deeply about it you must be right on every occasion.

Can't argue with that.
Some can't stand manipulating crowd figures I can't stand manipulating other peoples words.

Boring it is so last post on this subject, point me in the right direction of the none boring latest rivoting edge of your seat RL topic.

Hang on, there isn't one.

Obviously you don't read the VT forum then.

Is it the guy at the back with the white shirt on ?

Oh well, progress of a sort, I suppose.