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| Should have had the weekend off last week, rather than opting to play Dewsbury. Another bullet to the head of Halifax RLFC.
Methinks this club is in big trouble financially , and the directors, coaching staff and certain players know this. Only a Grand Final win will keep the club going at this level (top 3 side). This will put too much pressure on the team and they will bomb it when it really matters (as per usual).
If our big name players move on, I can't see Calland getting the best out of an average team. Expect a return to the Faz years.
Attendances aren't increasing neither because when a stayaway fan turns up for a big game, they get disappointed YET AGAIN.
Admission prices must be reduced to reflect the quality of Rugby League on show. £18 to sit is quite frankly proposterous.
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| As an ambassador of the club I work for & love, having supported for almost 40 years, I sometimes wonder why I bother responding to negative posts on this messageboard, but sometimes things have to be said.
There's nothing like a defeat to bring out the dead-wood, negativity, etc etc.
But, tonight I'm aware to the fact that certain players shouldn't have played due to injury and recovery from injury, but they did and from what I saw, nobody deliberately knocked on, missed a tackle or whatever you'd like to criticise.
The criticisms aimed at Calland & his staff for each & every loss are in my opinion grossly unfair.
Do people think that we practice the art of losing the ball, missing a tackle, losing to a better team ?
Tonight we were beaten by a better team, so what. No Tamghart, Wrench, Haley, Larder & blokes putting their hands up to play for the team when they were clearly less than 100%, I'd say let's see what the end of the seaon brings and not judge anyone now.
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| Quote ="wereutherein1987?"When you are dominated by a stronger defence like we were you are made to look hopeless in attack!
Our plays were slow - they put us on our backs every tackle and as a consequence no forward momentum and a lot of static flat plays.
MC can prepare them for all the moves in the world but if your not controlling the ruck forget it!'"
Completely agree. That was the difference. When Fax made the tackle they thought the work was done and got back, allowing them to get quick play the balls time after time against little if any line speed. When Fev made the tackle they carried on working, winning the ruck and most times got our man on his back, then worked to get up in defence quickly. That sort of thing does come under coaching though and we should be aware of this tactic as it does make a huge difference.
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| Quote ="marillion man"As an ambassador of the club I work for & love, having supported for almost 40 years, I sometimes wonder why I bother responding to negative posts on this messageboard, but sometimes things have to be said.
There's nothing like a defeat to bring out the dead-wood, negativity, etc etc.
But, tonight I'm aware to the fact that certain players shouldn't have played due to injury and recovery from injury, but they did and from what I saw, nobody deliberately knocked on, missed a tackle or whatever you'd like to criticise.
The criticisms aimed at Calland & his staff for each & every loss are in my opinion grossly unfair. Do people think that we practice the art of losing the ball, missing a tackle, losing to a better team ?
Tonight we were beaten by a better team, so what. No Tamghart, Wrench, Haley, Larder & blokes putting their hands up to play for the team when they were clearly less than 100%, I'd say let's see what the end of the seaon brings and not judge anyone now.'"
Nice to read some sense.......Thats the 1st game we've lost in 9.
Yes we weren't too good tonight,but that doesn't mean we're on the scrapheap.Get behind the manager and the team for the rest of the season.You never know whats gonna happen next.
Everyone,well nearly everyone on here,predicted that we were going to win this game.Like the man says we just got beaten by the better team on the night.As supporters stay positive and get behind the team;Thats what we're supposed to be there for innit??
Bring on Dewsbury away.............score predictions anyone??
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| We do need to be more cohesive though - both in defence and attack. It's OK having a number of classy individual players but we need a more structured game plan. Every time we start our set of six i'm expecting a knock on or a brain fart. Every time we start defending a set i expect a penalty. It does no good for my nerves! During the madcap 46-40 victory at Leigh we had a spell of fifteen minutes where we defended like Featherstone did last night. It was structured and penalty free. Please lets have more of this.
We are still in the mix.
However, it would be good to get back to winning ways immediately. Everytime we lose some fans start hacking into the club's computer system and start trawling through the internal financial statements of the club.
Quote ="Fax4Life"Sadly the way the club are going we may not have the players to keep us at the top of this league next season we are skint.'"
Please would you be so kind as to provide a link to the club's cash flow statement and an internal P&L. It's good to share.
Quote ="jeffvickers"Methinks this club is in big trouble financially , and the directors, coaching staff and certain players know this. '"
Please would you be so kind as to provide a link to the club's cash flow statement and an internal P&L. It's good to share.
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| It's only a game , remember that
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| I am happy with the bonus point
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| [urlhttp://qprreport.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=12369[/url
I wonder what something like that would mean to a Rugby League team without a wealthy backer.
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| Anyway are we ready for the generic Calland interview in the paper? Wonder which quotes they will reel out today.
"There was no point shouting at them"
"We just needed to point them in the right direction and show them where they were going wrong."
"We still lacked patience at times"
"We had started the game well but then went away from it a little bit."
"We lacked urgency and enthusiasm"
"We need a major step up."
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Now the one thing that grates a bit is that when Calland was suspended all players were moaning and crying about how they wanted him back yet most of the time it dosnt appear that they are playing for him, maybe some are and some are not, for me though its more a case of some of the players are on easy street and are afraid if another coach comes in they may actually have to step it up a bit.
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| Quote ="Greg Florimos Boots"I wonder what something like that would mean to a Rugby League team without a wealthy backer.
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They wouldn't exist in the form that they're currently in. Warrington et al would become Halifax, Leigh and Featherstone.
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| Quote ="Greg Florimos Boots"Anyway are we ready for the generic Calland interview in the paper? Wonder which quotes they will reel out today.'"
Fill yer boots, 'Boots
[urlhttp://www.halifaxcourier.co.uk/local/Halifax-16-Featherstone-26-I.6356311.jp[/url
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| Quote ="Haighy"Completely agree. That was the difference. When Fax made the tackle they thought the work was done and got back, allowing them to get quick play the balls time after time against little if any line speed. When Fev made the tackle they carried on working, winning the ruck and most times got our man on his back, then worked to get up in defence quickly. That sort of thing does come under coaching though and we should be aware of this tactic as it does make a huge difference.'"
Spot on - this is the main area we struggle with. We just don't seem to dominate the PTB area either in attack or defence. That was the difference last night. Fev were not particularly inventive or that quick in attack, but they were always on the front foot and controlled the speed at which the game was played because of the way they dominated the ruck.
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| Quote ="gizempo"Spot on - this is the main area we struggle with. We just don't seem to dominate the PTB area either in attack or defence. That was the difference last night. Fev were not particularly inventive or that quick in attack, but they were always on the front foot and controlled the speed at which the game was played because of the way they dominated the ruck.'"
Myself and Mama Haigh picked up on that while watching the game back on TV. You'd have thought Fax were the team in red last night. Quick play the balls, getting rolls on and pushing through at every opportunity to let Kain run riot, lots of men supporting the ball carrier.
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| is it just me that thought we played badly,had loads of injuries before and during the game, dropped ball numerous times, gave away loads of penalties but [u=#BF0000ONLY[/u got beat by the best team in our division by [u=#BF000010[/u points?
some people need to have a word with themselves, the way i see it is, we get fev in play offs at full strength and we'll win no probs.
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| Quote ="Diggerslad" the way i see it is, we get fev in play offs at full strength and we'll win no probs.'"
Maybe you will - like I keep saying, we'll see!
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| Quote ="justthebasicfax"Yeah Azuie ready for a vets league, and hell be joined by a few others next year.'"
Do you mean Swinton perhaps
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| For me, with what we were able to put out, the defeat isn't a huge deal;
I do wonder wether we may look for one/two dual registration players to come in and freshen things up especially whilst we are struggling for numbers.
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| Quote ="Greg Florimos Boots"[urlhttp://qprreport.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=12369[/url
I wonder what something like that would mean to a Rugby League team without a wealthy backer.
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Look at the mess Liverpool r in. 2 money grabbing yanks in charge & 3-400 million in debt
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| Quote As an ambassador of the club I work for & love, having supported for almost 40 years, I sometimes wonder why I bother responding to negative posts on this messageboard, but sometimes things have to be said.
There's nothing like a defeat to bring out the dead-wood, negativity, etc etc.
But, tonight I'm aware to the fact that certain players shouldn't have played due to injury and recovery from injury, but they did and from what I saw, nobody deliberately knocked on, missed a tackle or whatever you'd like to criticise.'"
You cant blame Calland for miss tackles, knock ons but for me he is responsible for discipline ( On and Off the Field), Defence and the team having a plan and working as a team to achieve results. What I fail to understand is that we have let in 336 this year-only the bottom 4 have a worse record! We all know Fax have problems defending. Yet I see NO change in this area. Discipline (Both in Defence and attack) is awful. We should know what each Ref is like and what they will focus on. Yet once again we commit the same stupid mistakes. We try forcing passes that simply are never on-Aizue, Maloney, Penkywicz , Black etc. Each time we lose or struggle, Calland blames his players for not sticking to the game plan. Why not? They are his players he has brought in. Why cant he inspire them when the going gets tough? Why cant Fax go back to basics when we struggle?
Quote The criticisms aimed at Calland & his staff for each & every loss are in my opinion grossly unfair.
Do people think that we practice the art of losing the ball, missing a tackle, losing to a better team ?
Tonight we were beaten by a better team, so what. No Tamghart, Wrench, Haley, Larder & blokes putting their hands up to play for the team when they were clearly less than 100%, I'd say let's see what the end of the seaon brings and not judge anyone now.'"
Its the manner of the defeats mate. Its the way we never sort out the problems which cause us to lose or struggle. I sadly cant see us winning a trophy under Calland due to the reasons above and these problems have been there since Calland started. If you cant defend you are unlikely to win a trophy. It may look good scoring heaps of tries but against a good well drilled side its not that easy.
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| '" Its the manner of the defeats mate. Its the way we never sort out the problems which cause us to lose or struggle. I sadly cant see us winning a trophy under Calland due to the reasons above and these problems have been there since Calland started. If you cant defend you are unlikely to win a trophy. It may look good scoring heaps of tries but against a good well drilled side its not that easy.'"
Spot on fella, I think some of the people that take offence at the criticism are letting sentiment rule, hearts rather than heads etc. Our defence is appaling, there is absolutely no way anyone at the club can get away from that or try and hoodwink us, we see the same games and are more impartial, defence is 50% of the game, and were one of the worst in the league, when you add to that our complete lack of game plans, its worrying. Every year that Matt has coached us teams have undone us by nothing more than playing a simple brand of rugby, disciplined, committed and miserly in defence, what does he want to achieve with his freedom rugby? does he want to make friends and keep his players underachieving and coasting along, or does he want to be a serious rugby coach and win. Id guess he likes his job because he doesnt seem to be under any pressure to fix things that are going wrong.
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| Think defence is more than 50% of the game - if the other team can't score they can't beat you!!!!
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| Quote ="Inoffski1"Think defence is more than 50% of the game - if the other team can't score they can't beat you!!!!'"
If you score more than the opposition , you'll win every time , we had a defensive attitude last year , it really worked for us
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| Quote ="marillion man"As an ambassador of the club I work for & love, having supported for almost 40 years, I sometimes wonder why I bother responding to negative posts on this messageboard, but sometimes things have to be said.
There's nothing like a defeat to bring out the dead-wood, negativity, etc etc.
But, tonight I'm aware to the fact that certain players shouldn't have played due to injury and recovery from injury, but they did and from what I saw, nobody deliberately knocked on, missed a tackle or whatever you'd like to criticise.
The criticisms aimed at Calland & his staff for each & every loss are in my opinion grossly unfair.
Do people think that we practice the art of losing the ball, missing a tackle, losing to a better team ?
Tonight we were beaten by a better team, so what. No Tamghart, Wrench, Haley, Larder & blokes putting their hands up to play for the team when they were clearly less than 100%, I'd say let's see what the end of the season brings and not judge anyone now.'"
In the cold light of day, in hindsight, and with a good night's kip I can honestly say that this is the best post on this thread. I hold my hands up to being negative at times and typing in the heat of the moment, and for that I apologise to those I may have offended, instead of waiting to calm down and assess my thoughts before hitting a key.
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| Quote ="Halifax1987"For me, with what we were able to put out, the defeat isn't a huge deal;
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I agree. One defeat in 9. Still
not bad going. Yet all the idiots are back baying for Callands head. People wanted structure and for us to build pressure and we did in the first half, if we had continued playing that style they would have be moaning at how predictable we are.
All these people also claiming that we are skint. No one has actually backed these remarks up have they? Look at the comments by The idiot the other night posting about players wages. Again no proof what so ever. Makes you wonder if people are only ever happy when they have stuff to moan at. Prehaps they should sod off and watch Bradford, because they certainly don't seem to be supporting Halifax.
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| Quote ="a.n Other" Prehaps they should sod off and watch Bradford, because they certainly don't seem to be supporting Halifax.'"
Are you being serious, do you want another Oldham on your hands
I think people are always going to be very quick to jump on Callands back, because of our points against column and the fact that for the past few years we have had the best side in the league and come up with sweet fa. I admire TS's and your pragmaticism but the simple fact is if you were to add back in Salford and Celtic to the league our progression is then in a real light. We should aim to be the best, not be content with competing and finishing 3rd in a league like this. I and many others simply see that at the moment we are missing a massive opportunity to galvanise the town round RL, we will miss out SL, its highly likely we wont win the GF this year, because we show no sign of defensive competence. Support is fine and if all some people want to do is 'watch rugby', thats fine too, but if you two are genuinely interested in Halifax 'doing themselves justice' then you have to admit, we can do better, and shouldn't think it has to be with this coach or some of these players, excellent on paper, but only good on grass.
I for one want the best we can possibly get, its never going to be Matt, and you will realise this one day too.
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