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| Quote ="Fax Machine"The thing that worries me, Brew, is the direction in which FCHT fans are going. They keep stressing that Reactiv are trying to buy the Shay on the cheap. What they don't seem to realise is that the Shay has 2 values:
1. As a stadium with a stipulation that it can only be used for sport.
2. As a piece of land with no restrictions.
The latter obviously carries a far higher value and, if the council are determined to unload it I would much rather they sold it to Reactiv under option 1 but the FCHT fans, in their hatred of all things Fax, will end up with option 2 and then both clubs will be stuffed.'"
Shay fans have seen it all before and have plenty of bad experiences with 'businessmen' so are right to be cautious with this episode. Little was known of Abbott until the company check, it isn't good reading. The fact that your accounts don't look too good and you owe rent of £52,000 doesn't help your cause.
Even if Abbott is the knight in shining armour you think he is what happens when he dies or gets fed up, will his heirs be charitable towards to sporting fraternity?
Clauses and covenants in any deal are worthless, Thrum Hall had those........................it is now a supermarket.
Did not Mr Steele, just two years ago, vote to get FC Halifax off the Stadium trust?
Sorry, Shay fans cannot trust him or your club.
The only real option is shared ownership like The John Smiths Stadium, Huddersfield.
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| Seriously RS who would you want to share it with because the approach and attitude from the Town fans is always aggressive, derogatory, critcal etc of anything and everything to do with the Rugby club.
Many on here wish only the best for Town, some even support both clubs and have said over and over again both clubs need to work together but every time we get it rammed back in our faces and even the sensible concerns get lost in the crap.
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| Quote ="Realist Shay"Shay fans have seen it all before and have plenty of bad experiences with 'businessmen' so are right to be cautious with this episode. Little was known of Abbott until the company check, it isn't good reading. The fact that your accounts don't look too good and you owe rent of £52,000 doesn't help your cause.
Even if Abbott is the knight in shining armour you think he is what happens when he dies or gets fed up, will his heirs be charitable towards to sporting fraternity?
Clauses and covenants in any deal are worthless, Thrum Hall had those........................it is now a supermarket.
Did not Mr Steele, just two years ago, vote to get FC Halifax off the Stadium trust?
Sorry, Shay fans cannot trust him or your club.
The only real option is shared ownership like The John Smiths Stadium, Huddersfield.'"
OK, then. So option 1 carries a possible risk at some future date whereas option 2 is instant finito. No brainer really so should suit FCHT fans admirably.
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| Quote ="Realist Shay"Shay fans have seen it all before and have plenty of bad experiences with 'businessmen' so are right to be cautious with this episode. Little was known of Abbott until the company check, it isn't good reading. The fact that your accounts don't look too good and you owe rent of £52,000 doesn't help your cause.
Even if Abbott is the knight in shining armour you think he is what happens when he dies or gets fed up, will his heirs be charitable towards to sporting fraternity?
Clauses and covenants in any deal are worthless, Thrum Hall had those........................it is now a supermarket.
Did not Mr Steele, just two years ago, vote to get FC Halifax off the Stadium trust?
Sorry, Shay fans cannot trust him or your club.
The only real option is shared ownership like The John Smiths Stadium, Huddersfield.'"
What you on about regards the Stadium Trust, Michael Steele was very pro SST and if it had a) some money and b) been run by the right people not the ones who ran it very badly and would not listen to anybody else and had the wrong person in Geoff Butler as Chief Executive (also a big Town fan funnily enough) it might have worked but remember it went bust. Why? Bad management and not enough income, now the East Stand is complete a Stadium Company would have a better chance of making it work but ONLY if money was invested in more facilities to create income streams which is what Reactiv are planning.
NO way do I want to see EITHER club involved in running the Shay, it will only work as a private company or a 'not for profit' Community Interest Company with guarantees to ensure it remains for sport (which I have to ask why would it not now it has 3 decent stands?) for both clubs play there and that if it does not work out it is handed back to the Council.
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| Now the gloating by Town fans is nearly over and the dust has settled, some of them are finally realizing that their `revelations` about Fax will not strengthen the views that the Shay shouldnt be sold, it actually weaken them in the eyes of the people that matter.
Not only will it not slow down the sale of the Shay it will probably quicken it and Town fans can take some credit for that.
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| Quote ="Greg Florimos Boots"Now the gloating by Town fans is nearly over and the dust has settled, some of them are finally realizing that their `revelations` about Fax will not strengthen the views that the Shay shouldnt be sold, it actually weaken them in the eyes of the people that matter.
Not only will it not slow down the sale of the Shay it will probably quicken it and Town fans can take some credit for that.'"
In your dreams.
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| Quote ="Realist Shay"In your dreams.'"
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| Quote ="Greg Florimos Boots"'"
Thanks for the picture of your average Rugby Fan. ,it is a shame really, a crying shame because The Shay, like Thrum Hall could become a memory.
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| Quote ="Realist Shay"Thanks for the picture of your average Rugby Fan. ,it is a shame really, a crying shame because The Shay, like Thrum Hall could become a memory.'"
I'd forgotten about that.
At least we are in the picture and holding the camera and your not.
Keep em coming.
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| Quote ="Realist Shay"
The only real option is shared ownership like The John Smiths Stadium, Huddersfield.'"
That's had a whole host of problems over the past few years, since Ken Davey moved the Football clubs shares into his own company for £1 a few years ago, and only recently sold them back, making a 100% profit in the process.
If shared ownership is an option, I take it the football club will be proposing this shortly, with the finance in place to make it a possibility?
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| Another pill-ock of a football fan on here, trying to cause problems. Get it in to your thick head The Shay does not belong to you or your Football club. You threw that chance away and are just squatters/tenants like us. The Shay is not a community asset - very few- less than 5% of the Calderdale Population regularly visit it. The Shay is a stadium that will never reach its potential while under Calderdale Council control. One day the Council will sell it whether it be tomorrow, next year or some time in the distant future. Whether Tony Abbott is the right person I dont know but then neither do you. We get that a large number of pathetic football scroats dont like Fax or Tony Abbott. But why do you lot feel the need to abuse the bloke and ruin his reputation here, on your forum and in the general public domain? Such pathetic actions make you all look stupid. Its a poor do when somebody like Tony Abbott is subjected to such disgraceful actions by yourself and others. Whether TA has the money or not, who are you to go around trying to publically ruin the mans reputation?
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| Now they are saying his charity work and organisation is fraudulent. How low can these scummers go? Awful people.
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| It's getting very boring now. Some people with far too much time on their hands finding out small amounts of information then using it to make slanderous remarks. I'd hope that by now TA and others involved in reactiv & Heartbeat of Sport ect are discussing how to respond to the allegation with their legal teams.
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| The best thing to do is stop responding to these people. Let them spew bile. Buts too biting. Leave them too it.
Will they refuse to attend The Shay if it's owned by Reactiv? Or will they go along. Moan a bit. But ultimately be able to do nothing
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| Quote ="Brew"=#0000FFThe best thing to do is stop responding to these people. Let them spew bile. Buts too biting. Leave them too it.
=#0000FFWill they refuse to attend The Shay if it's owned by Reactiv? Or will they go along. Moan a bit. But ultimately be able to do nothing'"
Brew I've said this for days now
No they won't refuse to to attend the Shay, they are so thick they will probably boycott all Towns games as a protest against Reactive ownership and attend all Fax games and support the opposition.
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| Quote ="halifaxjohn"Brew I've said this for days now
No they won't refuse to to attend the Shay, they are so thick they will probably boycott all Towns games as a protest against Reactive ownership and attend all Fax games and support the opposition.
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Weren't these well organised protestors from FCHT going to disrupt the televised Sheffield match at the Shay recently in their plight to sabotage Reactiv's proposed stadium purchase ?
Bit of a no-show that night wasn't it by them....
I don't know why folks keep going on the Town fans' forum/messageboards to see what they're saying, it really doesn't interest me one iota. If & when the sale goes through, we'll see how they respond then to that situation. Well done to Smiffy by the way for exposing the chief protagonist on here by name, if it's the correct person.
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| Don't let the facts spoil your pipedreams.
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| Quote ="Realist Shay"Don't let the facts spoil your pipedreams.'"
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| Quote ="Realist Shay"Don't let the facts spoil your pipedreams.'"
FACTS.
What the facts have clearly proved is a small minority of Town fans are a disgrace to themselves, the football club they claim to support and the rest of Halifax as a place which will be blatantly obvious to anyone who has the missfortune to cross their path.
Far from doing any good this conduct totally undermines every thing you do,all people will see is THUG MENTALITY but you are too stupid to see it.
Head in the sand, what a laugh.
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| Quote ="faxcar"FACTS.
What the facts have clearly proved is a small minority of Town fans are a disgrace to themselves, the football club they claim to support and the rest of Halifax as a place which will be blatantly obvious to anyone who has the missfortune to cross their path.
Far from doing any good this conduct totally undermines every thing you do,all people will see is THUG MENTALITY but you are too stupid to see it.
Head in the sand, what a laugh.'"
Don't forget, the Town Chairman himself said that Town fans "should make themselves heard =#0000FFby any means possible "
No word from him on the personally attacks on Mr Abbott and his family which started immediately after his statement.
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| The imbecile (Realist Shay) who started the vengeful twitter assault on Heartbeat of Sport has now deleted his tweets and privatised his account after being roundly criticised for attacking a charitable organisation. In the end they will always revert to type - football thuggery. They let their club down and the people of Halifax.
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| Quote ="littlerich"The imbecile (Realist Shay) who started the vengeful twitter assault on Heartbeat of Sport has now deleted his tweets and privatised his account after being roundly criticised for attacking a charitable organisation. In the end they will always revert to type - football thuggery. They let their club down and the people of Halifax.'"
I don't have a twitter account, never have had. Try again pal.
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| Quote ="Realist Shay"I don't have a twitter account, never have had. Try again pal.'"
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| He's posted the same "head in sand" picture on twitter. If it's not you Walshy then it's a relative - username is ElliotWalsh. Vile accusations against a charitable org. Not even looked into the good work they're doing. Vile disgusting morons the pair of you and a disgrace to FC Halifax.
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| Quote ="littlerich"He's posted the same "head in sand" picture on twitter. If it's not you Walshy then it's a relative - username is ElliotWalsh. Vile accusations against a charitable org. Not even looked into the good work they're doing. Vile disgusting morons the pair of you and a disgrace to FC Halifax.'"
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