It was always my understanding that a bid was coming from fax but then davy came in from a leftfield position ( it is my guess that a conversation may have happened between one of the orox brothers who davy knows through the forget me not charity ) Last year when I was repeatedly kicked off the shaymen forum by nobbie it was because I knew we were interested in the stadium has I was getting first and second hand information from 2 out of 3 guys up on the stage at the forum. The reason why the davy option is more appealing is time and finances related, if our people did it it would take longer maybe a few years whereas davy will have it up n running in a season. Ultimately nobody knows what will happen in the future but I can understand the appeal but also the caution.

[quote="Listenup94":2h8l9ud7]It was always my understanding that a bid was coming from fax but then davy came in from a leftfield position ( it is my guess that a conversation may have happened between one of the orox brothers who davy knows through the forget me not charity ) Last year when I was repeatedly kicked off the shaymen forum by nobbie it was because I knew we were interested in the stadium has I was getting first and second hand information from 2 out of 3 guys up on the stage at the forum. The reason why the davy option is more appealing is time and finances related, if our people did it it would take longer maybe a few years whereas davy will have it up n running in a season. Ultimately nobody knows what will happen in the future but I can understand the appeal but also the caution.[/quote:2h8l9ud7]
The appeal is obvious. The caution is very much understandable.

[quote="faxcar":209j983y]

Connecting the dots what I did find interesting was when asked about the loans from Davy to the clubs should he be successful Clayton seemed to infer that since Fax don’t actually need the improvements when the Giants and Town do, Fax could stress that reason to avoid having a loan with Davy just absorbing the 100k mentioned.

Interesting and meaningful few weeks ahead.[/quote:209j983y]

Interesting like you say, the cringe part with the talk of a moral high ground seemed a little excessive but I get what Clayton was saying in regards to the pitch but there is a problem around that. If the council sell the ground to Davy with Fax refusing to invest anything then Davy could very easily either use the current rolling contract to increase rent. Ultimatley Fax will have very little say in the councils decision but the hardball approach seems a risky road to go down with someone who could go on to be the clubs new landlord.

[quote="Greg Florimos Boots":1i8oaf1k]Interesting like you say, the cringe part with the talk of a moral high ground seemed a little excessive but I get what Clayton was saying in regards to the pitch but there is a problem around that. If the council sell the ground to Davy with Fax refusing to invest anything then Davy could very easily either use the current rolling contract to increase rent. Ultimatley Fax will have very little say in the councils decision but the hardball approach seems a risky road to go down with someone who could go on to be the clubs new landlord.[/quote:1i8oaf1k]

Don’t think Fax are playing hard ball, it looked like the opposite and were more than keen for it to happen and as I’ve said before this situation is being forced on us, the council are wanting to sell it’s not us wanting to buy so someone will likely become the new owner / landlord with the same unavoidable risks involved whoever it is but they will need to get the balance right in not pricing themselves out of some income by charging an amount that can’t be paid and forcing us out.


(Interesting side point on shared ground rent, where Davy is concerned with the Giants and Huddersfield Town I believe he thought the football club should be paying more because they used it more so another small insight into his way of thinking that might work in our favour.)

To say at this stage from what he said or hinted at that Fax are refusing to contribute resulting in Davy increasing the rent etc is a bit imaginative and premature as he’s not got it yet and the exact amount of any loans and repayment terms are unknown at the moment but if it gets to that stage just to try that approach and possibly tie it in with the disruption factor compensation which is something else that weighs heavily in our favour with us being the most affected and see where it went, who wouldn’t want to save paying around 100 grand?

My biggest cringe / chuckle moment was when RD was answering the recruitment question which I thought shouldn’t be hard since we aren’t doing any and he just mumbled on a bit with a few u r’s and DR’s, last year with Leeds before quickly giving the mike back.

[quote="Listenup94":2fpg3rvt]Well if there's one thing about the forum, Clayton has wound the shaymen up . Funny how even when answering questions directly it still gets twisted to their narrative. Like he said why should he make the footballs perspective public thats bosomworth job.[/quote:2fpg3rvt]
I would love to be a fly on the wall if Aston ever found out he called Sheffields ground a hole.

[quote="faxcar":30vsbw8o]
(Interesting side point on shared ground rent, where Davy is concerned with the Giants and Huddersfield Town I believe he thought the football club should be paying more because they used it more so another small insight into his way of thinking that might work in our favour.)

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This is one of my hopes that if Davy takes over we will see a change in the lopsided rent. I know Fax do through choice get more use of some facilities but I gave a breakdown on the Town forum of how much more use Town get out of the pitch and it is a wonder that it is equal rent(que jokes from Town fans about non payment).

I know its a bit unlikely but it would be hillarious to see the meltdown if Fax saw a reduction in rent and town saw an increase.

[quote="Greg Florimos Boots":1xbby0sw]This is one of my hopes that if Davy takes over we will see a change in the lopsided rent. I know Fax do through choice get more use of some facilities but I gave a breakdown on the Town forum of how much more use Town get out of the pitch and it is a wonder that it is equal rent(que jokes from Town fans about non payment).

I know its a bit unlikely but it would be hillarious to see the meltdown if Fax saw a reduction in rent and town saw an increase.[/quote:1xbby0sw]
Someone once did a breakdown between football and rugby league and included.
Length and number of games in the seasons. League & cup. Football more.
Length of time of each game. Football longer. 90 against 80.
Number of players on the pitch during each game. Rugby more 13 against 11.

Can’t remember the exact percentages but football used it more, however whichever way it was calculated as far as FC Town were concerned Fax were the usual squatters etc etc were to blame for damaging the pitch and everything else and should be kicked out.

Apart from that tripe you’ve also hit on something else that could be realised if Davy gets in and that’s development and use of the facilities.

He’s mentioned it could be called The Calderdale Stadium with other activities and income streams beyond rugby and football and after his love of rugby he’s obviously got a business head and you would expect he won’t just be relying on those two sports.

(Use of pitch edit just counting home league games from previous post.

Football. 23 games x 90 minutes x 11 players = 22,770 man minutes on the pitch.
Rugby. 12 games x 80 minutes x 13 players = 12,480 man minutes on the pitch.
= footballs use of the pitch for league games amounts to an extra 171.5 man hours.
Rent (when we pay it ) the same amount.)

Decide for yourself whether that’s fair or not?

If you got all the intellectuals that ever lived , jordan Peterstone, Einstein, aristotle etc in a room with the shaymen and categorical proved everything they said was false they would still say the same thing they have been for years . It's quite interesting that they've watched a video of clayton answering direct questions actually encouraged it and they've still managed to change the narrative to how he's just another Tony Abbott.

You can't educate pork.

Of KD does buy the Shay and rents we’re rearranged and we paid less Town would never know. Unlike now when they constantly aske the council for information under the FIA of the shay is privately owned they will not be able to get that information

[quote="Faxlore":2j5m4hpk]Of KD does buy the Shay and rents we’re rearranged and we paid less Town would never know. Unlike now when they constantly aske the council for information under the FIA of the shay is privately owned they will not be able to get that information[/quote:2j5m4hpk]

If that's the case that's worth a little chuckle , although I could see a scenario where bubba and barry hodgson go undercover as ken davys chauffeurs to see if they could extract any information that way .

Or they could kidnap him and interrogate him gestapo style ' heir davy are you charging those wretched squatters lower rent ? Those snivelling leeches think they have the moral high ground , well the sst will report back to heir hoddie our fuhrer and you will suffer the consequences of his wrath , we marched to the town hall and we will march again , we will fight them on the beaches , we will fight them in George's square in the piece hall , we will get tom scargill to write propaganda in the courier and hoddie will print them off ten years later the sad bald man ...

[quote="Listenup94":pofk310a]If that's the case that's worth a little chuckle , although I could see a scenario where bubba and barry hodgson go undercover as ken davys chauffeurs to see if they could extract any information that way .

Or they could kidnap him and interrogate him gestapo style ' heir davy are you charging those wretched squatters lower rent ? Those snivelling leeches think they have the moral high ground , well the sst will report back to heir hoddie our fuhrer and you will suffer the consequences of his wrath , we marched to the town hall and we will march again , we will fight them on the beaches , we will fight them in George's square in the piece hall , we will get tom scargill to write propaganda in the courier and hoddie will print them off ten years later the sad bald man ...[/quote:pofk310a]

Hilarious

[quote="Tony Fax":1zmggnnc]Hilarious [/quote:1zmggnnc]

I'll write it down on a leaflet if you want , but unfortunately there will be a postage charge.

[quote="Listenup94":179ot9zq]I'll write it down on a leaflet if you want , but unfortunately there will be a postage charge.[/quote:179ot9zq]

Even more hilarious

[quote="Listenup94":2rjk779y]If that's the case that's worth a little chuckle , although I could see a scenario where bubba and barry hodgson go undercover as ken davys chauffeurs to see if they could extract any information that way ..[/quote:2rjk779y]

As said before, the working parties had the best intentions given that, at the time, there wasnt any other option on the table. Whether you like/dislike me, Hoddie or the others involved it wasnt a popularity contest and was simply about securing the stadium long-term for Fax and FCHT.

Regardless of the council decision, Ill remain resolute that private ownership is the worst option, even if the KD option does bring immediate benefits. To me, these benefits dont provide the longer term securities the clubs, or more importantly, the supporters should want. The owners of both clubs may welcome the immediate benefits, but when the private ownership potentially goes wrong, they most likely wont be around and its the supporters who will suffer.

I can still see potential spanners in the works. The ACV, the Football League feedback/guidance on pitch usage (three teams), the pitch grant, timescales, etc.

[quote="Bubba":2j3pv3yk]As said before, the working parties had the best intentions given that, at the time, there wasnt any other option on the table. Whether you like/dislike me, Hoddie or the others involved it wasnt a popularity contest and was simply about securing the stadium long-term for Fax and FCHT.

Regardless of the council decision, Ill remain resolute that private ownership is the worst option, even if the KD option does bring immediate benefits. To me, these benefits dont provide the longer term securities the clubs, or more importantly, the supporters should want. The owners of both clubs may welcome the immediate benefits, but when the private ownership potentially goes wrong, they most likely wont be around and its the supporters who will suffer.

I can still see potential spanners in the works. The ACV, the Football League feedback/guidance on pitch usage (three teams), the pitch grant, timescales, etc.[/quote:2j3pv3yk]

So would you say as a representative of the sst you have both clubs best interests at heart?

Id say everyone involved with the working group has. All our discussions have been about what we view as being in the best interests of both clubs. What benefit would there have been in having any bias towards either of the clubs?

[quote="Bubba":utzszj56]Id say everyone involved with the working group has. All our discussions have been about what we view as being in the best interests of both clubs. What benefit would there have been in having any bias towards either of the clubs?[/quote:utzszj56] Would you say during this discussion with tax experts you have the best interests of the rugby club at heart ? https://www.ukbusinessforums.co.uk/thre ... ny.427790/

[quote="Bubba":utzszj56]Id say everyone involved with the working group has. All our discussions have been about what we view as being in the best interests of both clubs. What benefit would there have been in having any bias towards either of the clubs?[/quote:utzszj56] Would you say during this discussion with tax experts you have the best interests of the rugby club at heart ? https://www.ukbusinessforums.co.uk/thre ... ny.427790/

You dont think it reasonable to want to understand the position of the rugby club and its immediate future and potential impact it would have on the stadium?

Bubba.

You keep mentioning you have the best interests of BOTH clubs yet within the same timescale of the only offer being on the table you joined a business group forum asking questions involving HMRC serving winding up partitions against dormant companies and you named Fax as the club.

Your motive became clear when you openly commented on your local rugby club and among other things you stated that they weren't paying the rent when at that time your own FOI’s showed they were up to date as per the latest agreed schedule with CMBC and the club, a blatant lie or a memory lapse?

You also stated the club were trying to buy the ground but how was this truthful with your claim that your group were the only ones with an offer on the table?

Based on your words and actions how can anyone have trust in your group or believe a word you say.

As previously stated the spanner in the works concerning the EFL 3 teams rule is a football issue and not a rugby one yet when Clayton said what Davy had said before that it was Bosomworth and FC Town prerogative to resolve with the EFL and not the RFL.

They were simply stating the truth and showing some respect for FC Town in not interfering or commenting on a matter that fell under their control and yet they got the usual insults thrown at them from the FC Town group.

By repeated words and by actions over a decades timescale the FC Town group are only concerned about themselves and any claim otherwise is a smokescreen.

We all get and share the same what if concerns and risks but as before it’s the council who are wanting to sell and it’s the council who will make the decision not the clubs so don’t try and blame the rugby club if something goes wrong in the future for what the council decides to do in March when neither club have any real say in the matter.

Faxcar and listenup later in the day https://youtu.be/FPQlXNH36mI?si=4pUxa-bhHcYbfBt9

Faxcar and listenup later in the day https://youtu.be/FPQlXNH36mI?si=4pUxa-bhHcYbfBt9

[quote="Listenup94":tqqmuy7a]Faxcar and listenup later in the day https://youtu.be/FPQlXNH36mI?si=4pUxa-bhHcYbfBt9[/quote:tqqmuy7a] Yep but with us both having to leave straight after the game that’s only after we’ve talked about how Konrad Hurrell played yesterday.

[quote="Listenup94":tqqmuy7a]Faxcar and listenup later in the day https://youtu.be/FPQlXNH36mI?si=4pUxa-bhHcYbfBt9[/quote:tqqmuy7a] Yep but with us both having to leave straight after the game that’s only after we’ve talked about how Konrad Hurrell played yesterday.

Off bubba pops back to the echo chamber of the shaymen.net https://youtu.be/I3QprrqpNXU?si=6DQzwCkYC-9FxKDK

Off bubba pops back to the echo chamber of the shaymen.net https://youtu.be/I3QprrqpNXU?si=6DQzwCkYC-9FxKDK

[quote="Listenup94"]Off bubba pops back to the echo chamber of the shaymen.net

Closer would be The O’jays Backstabbers.

Lyrics
All the time they want to take your place
The back stabbers (back stabbers)
(They smilin' in your face)
All the time, they want to take your place
The back stabbers (back stabbers)
All you fellas who have someone and you really care, yeah, yeah
Then it's all of you fellas who better beware, yeah, yeah
Somebody's out to get your lady ( CLUB )
A few of your ( MAKE BELIEVE ) buddies, they sure look shady
The blades are long, clenched tight in their fists
Aimin' straight at your back
And I don't think they'll miss
All the time, they want to take your place
The back stabbers (back stabbers)
I keep gettin' all these visits from my ( SO CALLED ) friends, yeah, what they doin' to me?
They come to my house again and again and again and again, yeah
So are they there to see my woman? ( CLUB GO BUST )
I don't even be home but they just keep on comin'
What can I do to get on the right track?
I wish they'd take some of these knives out my back
All the time, they want to take your place
The back stabbers (back stabbers)
Ha, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, low down, dirty
Smilin' faces smilin' faces sometimes tell lies (back stabbers)
(They smilin' in your face)
I don't need low down, dirty s (back stabbers)
down, down, down, down, down
Down, down, down, down, down, down, down (back stabbers)
(They smilin' in your face) might be your neighbor
Your next door neighbor, yeah (back stabbers

And Boomtown Rats.

It’s a rat trap Bubba and you’ve been caught.

"and you named Fax as the club."

Oh...I didnt realise it was confidential.