Whats on after John? Ryan's got me watching the cube but he's going to bed soon

I think later on there is a program called " Match of the Day"
Never watched it myself,

Hang on I minute Chanel 5, kick boxing.

Did Adam Robinson stick his fingers in his ears when you were discussing things, or does he know the handshake?

I completly agree with you that the Trust was set up by supporters for supporters and that is just what all the Board members are "supporters ", nothing more nothing less.
I have been a supporter since 1953 and have seen a good many ups and downs and during that time have been lucky enough when the Club has had particularly bad times to be able to financially support them as I had a business .
When I retired a few years ago I decided to put my bit of spare time to good use in trying to help fundraise for the Under 20s as when I was in business I used to sponsor the youngsters as I believe in enableing local kids to play for their own Town team.I am extremely proud of the work that the Supporters Trust do in regards of fundraising and it frees up the money that the Club would have to spend on them .
I cannot answer the question as to why you do not receive the e-mails as I do not have lists of members but if you pm Jon Crowther (Faxforlife) I am sure he will sort it out for you .
I can however answer the question as to wether or not we get free season tickets / meals etc .
The answer is a resounding NO and I do not expect to get anything for free from the Club I don`t do anything and expect something for it . I buy a season ticket which allows me one free meal (like every other season ticket holder) I pay to park the car in the Club car park so I don`t have to carry the buckets too far from the ground . We even spend a good deal of time organising events and like everyone else pay for the tickets because we are fans so why shouldn`t we ,that includes sponsoring players etc . I don`t have a ticket to go into the hospitality post match ,why should I ,everything I do is on a voluntary basis and I do it to help the Club out .I know times are tough at the Club at the moment but is the answer for all of us to start turning against each other ,Chris is right plenty of food for thought here.

Running an Independant club supporting organisation ( trust, supporters association ) can be a truly thankless task , when I resigned as a Director at Leigh my wife ( Dick Jones on here ) took up the position of secretary of LISA ( Leigh Ind Sup assoc ) , originally founded to help bail the club out in a period of financial difficulty

The original stated purpose was to pay a players contract, and we had several interesting discussions about the money raised being used to pay bills, travel costs, being tipped into the ' Black Hole ' of the clubs bank account, not to mention a near riot when I suggested due to potential salary cap issues that like the Fax Trust LISA s funds could pay for junior development ( basically take ownership of it )

We have recently had fans and club directors suggesting that LISA was underperforming when compared to other official club income streams , suggesting the volunteers that run it should concentrate on increasing its membership and organising events to raise funds

The type of organisations only really come to the fore when crisis looms , our last big successful push was on the back of us loosing the support of our former Chairman, the late Arthur Thomas after the collapse of his business due to a serious bad debt

In the past LISA along with the agreement of the club has tried to engineer ' Exclusivity ' of information about signings and the like at meetings, Although the information has usually quickly been passed on

It seems things at Fax are a little tense at the moment, the pressure created by the new structure and the financial ' carrots ' available from the RFL seem to be causing fall outs

Well I am astounded at the response made on here and it makes me wonder why bother donating my time and effort for years and years with the Trust and prior to that Supporters Club with this kind of attitude.
My post was innocent enough and no I don't regret it apart from maybe potentially hurting the Trust's reputation. My point was that the meeting was a MEMBERS meeting open to all but we do want people to join the Trust to give them something for their money, i.e. informative meetings. A player and a Board member very kindly came along to talk to us and some of what Mike said he asked us not to repeat which we respect as the Shay and the rent is a very emotive and still delicate with the Council subject.
We do put things discussed normally in our Newsletter again one benefit of being a member, the point of having a membership fee is to raise money and to have a database of fans to call upon to help raise money for the U20s.
We do not get freebies and benefits to hand out to each other and I resent the accusation most of the Board have put in a lot of money over the years towards the U20s and previous incarnations of the 'youth' team.
Do people expect us to put everything we discuss on this message board so they can read it yet some don't and won't join the Trust, come on you would not expect to get anything from say the National Trust or RSPB unless you were a paid up member so why the Fax Trust?
Blimey things are bad enough this season and I feel like I have said earlier, why bother?

I didnt quite finish my post ( pressed the wrong button )

Yes things at Leigh have turned the corner after a period of stagnation ( due to the afformentioned loss of benefactor ) where we had a minimal directorship and a volunter CEO who despite the difficult situation did well to keep the club in business

We now have a new board, who have brought with them a new impetus and enthusiasm ( as well as a financial safety net ) and a well structured plan for the future , just in time it would seem with the changes afoot

I dont agree with all their idea's but they are doing a good job up to now, maybe something a little similar is needed at Fax ( a couple of new directors or a new CEO/ General manager perhaps ) to bring back the feel you had a couple of years ago

All the best

Fax4life. I suggest you read and digest your original post and subsequent ripostes. I didn't mean to cause a stink, just think your original post is tactless, abrupt and thoughtless.

But then again, I was unaware that there is a rule that states the further you live from Halifax and less likely you are to make midweek meetings, the less you care about the club and the less you need to know about the place.

I'd love to know how you suggest people help out at the club or feel positive about the club when they're not allowed to have first clue about what's going on.

Indeed, your last post will further drive speculation and innuendo. Well done

I think it's maybe a frustration that it is perceived that not enough communication and/or activity is coming from the club. Then, a post appears which suggests the club has given out information but it's for members only. I don't think there's any great conspiracy but just unfortunate timing. The club should re-engage with fans because the perception is (true or otherwise) that activity is drying up.

Oh and if anybody has not received their Newsletter please PM me and I will sort it out and SORRY.

Communication is THE biggest issue at Leigh at the moment, both good and bad, we have plenty of info, but also the club commenting publically via the unofficial forum on any minor criticism or even question asked, all very ' touchy ' and it is hard to strike the perfect balance

We have Members all over the country and they are all very welcome.
Read my reply again please as I said Mike asked us not to repeat what was said, if you have an issue with that take it up with him (sorry Mike).
My original post was just saying that we don't post our members meetings discussions on a message board as why would you need memberships if we did? If it came across abrupt, sorry but it was just brief and to the point.

Just to clarify and to reply to those who think we are in the clubs 'pocket' I agree the club need to look at how they are communicating with the fans as right now things are poor in my opinion, the App is not used much and we did not even have a players profile at the start of the season anywhere (they used to do one in the Courier). To be fair to the club they are having a hard time right now but no excuses the fans are the clubs biggest asset along with the players.

There we go again, the club are having a hard time of if lately. Are they ?. Why is that then ?. Wait, you have to pay and turn up to a meeting to find out why the club are having a hard time!. Jesus Christ, how can they expect the town to get behind them when nobody knows the problems.

I saw a post the day the club were locked out saying nobody was at the shop, the office, etc etc. people were asking questions, the day after a picture on twitter appears pretending everything is ok. Clearly it isn't and wasn't. But hey the club are fine on the outside appearance, only for the courier to later release the article saying we were locked out and the council had to make a stand. Worrying times, if the ostriches pulled their head out of the sand looked for new ideas and people then great, unfortunately we are in decline, and if anyone can honestly say different I'm surprised. Yes we had the Calland era and that was fantastic, crowds were increasing, slowly yes but still the right direction. What since?.

John I get where you are coming from but surely an "open" meeting where potential new members can come along to join is a little naive of a board member to request what goes on at the shay stays at the shay....?? You seriously expect all in attendance to not discuss what was mentioned out and about or in a pub...?? Or is this another case of the club sharing info with the Trust board to keep them onside..?? If the latter is the case this was one of my major gripes as you know and how the club in my opinion tries to control the trust. If it's good enough to tell the trust it's good enough to tell all supporters in my humble opinion. At a time when a huge wedge could potentially come between the club and it's supporters due to the poor communication many feel the club is currently guilty of the trust has a huge part to play and impartiality is essential....

Regarding the problems there has been plenty mentioned on here to be going along with.

The club are skint.

The rent issue was handled poorly.

The coaching staff are poor.

The standard of play is boring.

Lost two games on the bounce.

Crowds are down.

The BOD and club have been constantly slagged off by town fans and some of their own.

The club are going through an hard time, well no wonder.

To what extent we don't really know.

To what extent should we really know every detail or some of the detail.

And the fix is at this time for all the above and more???????????

Everything comes out in the open sooner or later the results depend on the seriousness of what is in question.

As frustrating as it is bearing with it is all we can do at the moment.

Bump, well said!

And thank god foe people like you. There are many at the club who do Stirling work for the love of the club and game. I don't think that is in question, but what is in question is the attitude that was inferred on here , which was "its our club if you want to know what us said either join the club or turn up at the meeting"

Once again a difficult one to get right, there are obvious issues, especially with the council regarding the Shay, sometimes a question and resulting answer then passed on second hand can be misconstrued or not taken in the right context, sometimes giving rise to further questions that really needed to be asked on the night, but if the person bringing up these queries isnt in attendance, then it can further complicate things

Something the club do need to sort out fairly soon I would have thought

If we have reason to withdraw support then fair enough that's what some will do and I can see some of the reasons why.

To get to that stage though there must be a deeper reason for the game being out of favour probably happened over a long period of time.

At club level (Fax) it will just be another reason why we are struggling and we will end up where we end up.

Can I emphasise the club is Halifax RLFC Ltd and the Trust is Halifax RLFC Independent Supporters Trust not the club. If you have issues with the club please take it up with them.

Chris wrong and wrong, this was a members meeting and Mike very kindly came along to try clarify things regards the rent but due to the nature of the negotiations with the Council he asked that what was said was not broadcast. Of course those who attended and it was not just the Board may repeat things but I am not going to betray Mike and put it on this message board.
Hardly the club controlling the Trust in my book, rather the club trying to put their side of things.

I disagree John you clearly invited potential new members to come along and join so therefore was an open meeting to anyone willing to pay their £10 membership.... Surely?? Whether it's saying it to 10 Trust members or 100 in attendance I don't see your argument with regards to betraying Mikes trust... Explain that to me please...?? Unless he has pulled you to one side and solely told you how are you betraying his trust..?? It's fair to say all those who attended will have spoken to 2-3 people about what was discussed who in turn have done the same.... I'm afraid your argument is completely flawed mate.....

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