Every club has control over their own players at all times and what you have said there is that in an emergency the parent club says we need him back “he can’t” play for you today which is the exact opposite of “he must” play for you today which is what you have repeatably claimed.

Late recalls are part of the DR arrangements that both clubs are aware of and do happen, a couple of times to us as I recall but it’s the exception to the rule and the vast majority of the time they do feature.

No fit established player at Fax has ever been excluded from a training session because of the DR arrangement and is simply another false claim.

Every coach is aware that there can be late withdrawals for a number of reasons that have nothing to do with DR right up until the kick off time and keep as many of the squad available for as long as possible.

When someone has to step in at the last minute team wise he’ll be up to pace and team wise they’ll be no worse off than they would have been if the DR player hadn’t have been available in the first place.

That’s both parties acting responsibly within the terms of the agreement in the best interest of their respective clubs and has nothing to do with doing as your told or having a boot on someone’s neck!

Codswallop!

Thought I'd just revisit this thread in the vain hope that people who want to prattle on about this subject could limit their waffling to one thread rather than bringing up the same boring pros and cons on nearly every new topic. I'm not holding my breath!

Duel reg is a complex subject matter , I think many Halifax supporters and indeed other historical clubs feel they should have their own academy/reserves regardless and not taking into consideration the financial considerations of doing so . I can see the pros and cons of duel reg , we have brought in some good quality players who have previously played for us in this guise and become permanent players for us , we’ve also been the parent club in this situation when we’ve used it with betfred league 1 clubs to keep our peripheral players match fit . Duel reg can also I imagine be very disruptive to dressing room moral when regular players are somewhat dismissed for one off players . The problem is with rugby league is that it’s unique in the sense that not many sports have the top tier being professional and the 2nd tier being semi professional. Ultimately and unfortunately without money and significant investment this scenario will always be a bone of contention especially for clubs like halifax.

Anyone else have any posts removed or just me?

I split the threads, but unfortunately missed a few and some got deleted, apologies nothing was targetted.

No worries, thought I was going mad for a minute wondering if I imagined posting and thinking if I did post it wasnt anything bad.

It's an interesting discussion. From my perspective over here DR hasn't helped us at all. It may have been useful in getting a side on the field when we were initially coming back from oblivion but that's it. The rest of the time it's disrupted the team and caused inconsistency. It's no coincidence that we've looked a happier bunch in the main since Dunning left and the use of DR stopped and the short term loans decreased too.

Sorry to say that I agree with Bullseye that the DR system disrupts teams, and for the record I have always thought this, ( faxlore do your best to find otherwise).

Yer Bullseye must have been heartbroken when to quote the T&A.

“Mark Dunning, who has used the Bulls’ dual-registration partnership with Leeds on numerous occasions so far this season, will have James Donaldson, Luis Roberts and Sam Walters at his disposal in the crunch clash against Fax.”

Especially when they were Bradford’s best players on the night winning by just 4 points precisely because of their input.

I still think despite the losses at Widnes, Batley, and London, that Bradford game was easily as bad as those performances and we still managed to get pretty close to them. We beat them easily in the cup and should have beaten them at Odsal yet Bradford went in to this weekend in 3rd. To me just shows the drop of in standards in the league this season.

...and just look at what that one result has done to the league table. DR = Disgrace!

The point was Bullseye said he didn’t think had helped them at all!

Agreed with the effect it can have on results and that’s enough of an argument against it on it’s own and there are plenty other valid reasons as well.

But not with the one club are masters over us.
Have a foot on our throat.
We have to do as we’re told and some our of own players are excluded from training when we take a player on DR claims.

Talking like that actually weakens the argument it’s so obviously ridiculous and if I believed strongly enough for or against something I would at least try and base my conviction on something a bit more solid and factual.

Just out of interest as anyone got any constructive alternatives to DR ?

Do you still have the same thoughts GFB?

You do like to make things up. Show me where i've said our players are excluded from training. Fact!

Yes poor game for us against Bradford and on topic because it wasn’t their team that did it.
Likewise the standard of the League although being competitive it’s more like average vs mediocrity across the board with not many games that will be remembered for long so far that’s for sure.

Okay. Fact.

“Hudd-Shay wrote:
Player comes into the club on dr. That player trains maybe twice, at the expense of an established Fax player, learning moves and calls. The dr player is named in the team for the game. On the eve if the game the dr player's club rings SG up and says 'sorry mate, we've changed our mind, send him back. That is doing as you are told!”

“That player trains twice at the expense of an established Fax player.......”
Not named or plays “TRAINS” at the expense of a Fax player.

And if you can’t write properly and actually meant “plays” instead of “trains” your even contradicting your own big EXPENSE point in the same post because if he’s been recalled then the Fax player he was going to replace will come back in and play anyway so its not at his or anyone’s else expense is it! FACT.

At the expense of doesn't mean instead of. Also, i did mean trains not plays. FACT!

So in this setting what’s does it mean then did this Fax player have to pay for his taxi to the training ground?



How was it then, either at training or on match day when you said the DR player was withdrawn was it at the Fax players expense?

Also I notice no denial mention of the other extreme comments about masters, feet on throat etc because there obviously laughable. FACT.

Yes the system we always had,loans of a minimum period of one month.We have never been in a position where we couldn’t raise a 17 and the DR we’ve used this season has been a complete waste of time.The only counter argument could be Sutcliffe who had one game and that lead to a longer stay.No reason why this couldn’t have been an initial loan.

That’s the way to go, tried and tested and if the parent club won’t commit to a month then he won’t be available and we won’t have the choice anyway.
Main stumbling block is the game as a whole would have to agree to it for your proposal to happen otherwise the parent club would just DR with someone else.

Aye, that's almost spot on and is what i've said more than once on here. The only point I would pick out would be where you say 'this' season. I would argue it has been a total waste of time with each different club we've had an embarrasing 'partnership' with. Also, again repeating myself, it's not just the detrimental effect it has on Fax, it's the game as a whole which is being used and abused by SL clubs. Their boot is well and truly on our necks and until we wrestle it off the status quo will well and truly remain.

Yeah nothing changed on my view there, well apart from faxcar telling everyone I think Grix is an awful coach.

I think our link with Cas has been used with respect but the problem is that we are bottom feeding, Cas are awful and have had a bad time with injuries, we have been awful as well for the most part and I bet Grix would have liked to bring some quality in from Cas but the simple fact is that they don't have it.

Before faxcar tries to twist anything else that I have said don't be mistaken that in saying that I think its a good system because I don't, I hate it, but the reality is that it is there and is not going away anytime soon while the money coming in to the game gets less and less. The only good thing about it from our point of view is that it has given us a bit of a try before you buy opportunity. How many players do we have in the team who have played for us on DR who are now either permanent already or will be by the end of the season?