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| Quote ="Starbug"Well a line has most definatley been drawn in the sand, and none of us can expect to be invited over it, so what to do about it? , well apparently the Championship chairmen now have a ' pre ' meeting before the council or APC meetings start, but are they seriously going to all agree to a united course of action?
No chance
It requires all clubs to state they will not be submitting an application to enter SL until the governing body start to apply rules and attitudes equally to all
But they wont, partly because the governing body ( Mr Wood ) is a vindictive organisation, that will take any dissent personally, and dish out retribution personally as well
RL is becoming an absolute joke'"
Now that would be bold BUT do you really think Fat Controller will be bothered? No it will make it even easier for him to keep the status quo
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| I chatted to fans of a lot of the Buggeroffleague yesterday before the CC Final.
They ALL want promotion and relegation back.
Licenscing will be dustbinned Soon' I hope.
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| Quote ="salfordlad"I chatted to fans of a lot of the Buggeroffleague yesterday before the CC Final.
They ALL want promotion and relegation back.
Licenscing will be dustbinned
Soon' I hope.'"
You'll be "hoping" for a long time lad unfortunately....
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| The latest "rumor" in the never ending saga from the Bfd Bulls forum is that Bradford stay in SL but receive a reduced amount of money each month from sky 2012/13 to appease creditors etc.....and wait for it .....other clubs can apply for the Bulls SL franchise.(Would you it, another fair and open due dilligence process on SL franchise application)
Its quite "simples" he says in a rather Brendan Hill style sqeaky voice ....we keep those rude boy Campionship clubs like Fev, Fax and Leigh, nice, quiet and controlled by inferring the future potential of a place in the SL promised land. Those at the bottom end of SL have to do what we say because they are frightened to death of loosing their licence. Those at the top we know arent right bothered. We have at last got the administrator out of the way, HMRC get the buyout fee but to make sure it looks half decent for other creditors we hold back some of the sky money and hey presto it means we have got some interest to cover the cost of us buying the lease! The Bulls are still in SL so the lease is now back up to top buck, If the consortium want to buy it back in a year or so from us its double our money time!
Fantastic now lets concentrate on more important things in life... (Allegedly says the fat controller as another deliciously large Melton Mobray pie is eaten in one bite....Oh sorry I missed those Championship crumbs he says not being able to resist a sly grin.... as the bald headed giants very large thumb reaches out and squashes them flat...... )
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| Quote ="interceptor"The latest "rumor" in the never ending saga from the Bfd Bulls forum is that Bradford stay in SL but =#FF0000receive a reduced amount of money each month from sky 2012/13 to appease creditors etc.....and wait for it .....other clubs can apply for the Bulls SL franchise.(Would you it, another fair and open due dilligence process on SL franchise application)
Its quite "simples" he says in a rather Brendan Hill style sqeaky voice ....we keep those rude boy Campionship clubs like Fev, Fax and Leigh, nice, quiet and controlled by inferring the future potential of a place in the SL promised land. Those at the bottom end of SL have to do what we say because they are frightened to death of loosing their licence. Those at the top we know arent right bothered. We have at last got the administrator out of the way, HMRC get the buyout fee but to make sure it looks half decent for other creditors we hold back some of the sky money and hey presto it means we have got some interest to cover the cost of us buying the lease! The Bulls are still in SL so the lease is now back up to top buck, If the consortium want to buy it back in a year or so from us its double our money time!
Fantastic now lets concentrate on more important things in life... (Allegedly says the fat controller as another deliciously large Melton Mobray pie is eaten in one bite....Oh sorry I missed those Championship crumbs he says not being able to resist a sly grin.... as the bald headed giants very large thumb reaches out and squashes them flat...... )'"
That would be the money that is currently paying their team to make the play offs , its a good job they are still in SL or they would have been paying back their ' advance ' for several years in the Championship
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| They couldn't manage spending the money they got from Sky as it was. How is this going to work? Less money?
Oh my god ..................... i've just realized. The "fans" may have to pay a realistic price to watch the Bulls (which in my view is actually only what they're paying now) instead of the "bums on seats let's go bust" price that they have been charging them.
Cretins. All of them.
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| Quote ="littlerich"They couldn't manage spending the money they got from Sky as it was. How is this going to work? Less money?
Oh my god ..................... i've just realized. The "fans" may have to pay a realistic price to watch the Bulls (which in my view is actually only what they're paying now) instead of the "bums on seats let's go bust" price that they have been charging them.
Cretins. All of them.'"
Yes but these are ' mega rich ' people , they are paying £ 150 K for an ' iconic , world famous ' RL club , that should go a long way with debts of up to a million a year
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| Yawn...................
Had enough of the whole sorry affair and all the other laughable bits that have come up since. The RFL/Sky spin- doctors must be in overdrive now -another success for SL and the franchising system.Looks like Fev are now the latest to be strung along -with us and Leigh- as they have been given asurances they won't have to link to a SL club the latest news. So Fev you can get your stadium sorted, sort out your own junior section and then apply to give our franchise system some credibility before we find another reason not to let you in to our closed shop quango. Sound familiar Fax/Leigh fans?
Yawn.........................
PS good luck to all clubs in Champioship play off's-should be a cracking competition this time.Fax will have to be at their best to get to the final this time!
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| I class Barrow, Haven, Town, Leigh, Oldham, Rochdale, Fax, Fev, Batley, Sheffield, Keighley, Dewsbury and Swinton as a good break away comp. The SL tie ups will only be of interest to the dead clubs of Hunslet, York, Gateshead, Skolars, South and North Wales and the new boys in C1.
Break away, and do it now - they are fooked if we do. If my club accepts a tie up then I have walked from the game. We must force change together.
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| Quote ="maurice"
Break away, and do it now - they are fooked if we do. '"
In what way ?
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| Quote ="griff1998"In what way ?
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In that way that they are not going to have a five team league.
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| Quote ="Nat (Rugby_Aholic)"In that way that they are not going to have a five team league.'"
Just about enough teams to fill up with their reserves
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| Quote ="Nat (Rugby_Aholic)"In that way that they are not going to have a five team league.'"
We had a six team Reserve Grade this season.
Not sure that the RFL would get round it if there was a breakaway.
Not that there'll be one, obviously. The clubs couldn't afford it.
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| Quote ="griff1998"We had a six team Reserve Grade this season.
Not sure that the RFL would get round it if there was a breakaway.
Not that there'll be one, obviously. The clubs couldn't afford it.'"
Can you explain how clubs can afford to survive on gates of 4,5,600 or less in some cases,
Very little commercial income, a dozen or so fixtures at home per season, no prize money ?
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| Quote ="marillion man"Can you explain how clubs can afford to survive on gates of 4,5,600 or less in some cases,
Very little commercial income, a dozen or so fixtures at home per season, no prize money ?'"
No. That's why there'll be no breakaway.
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| Quote ="griff1998"No. That's why there'll be no breakaway.'"
I think MM is alluding to the fact that those clubs get cack all as it is now, ergo they'll lose cack all if they breakaway. Kapish?
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| Quote ="littlerich"I think MM is alluding to the fact that those clubs get cack all as it is now, ergo they'll lose cack all if they breakaway. Kapish?'"
Not true.
What about government funding for development work for a start ? They do get some Sky money as well.
And they won't breakaway.
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| Quote ="griff1998"Not true.
What about government funding for development work for a start ? They do get some Sky money as well.
And they won't breakaway.'"
You will be closer to the facts than most, how much funding would a club get for 'development' and would Sheffield get the same as Leigh for example?, Is this funding provided by the RFL? Do they enter a single bid for the sport or can it be achieved at local bid level? Would a breakaway reduce the RFL's capacity to get grants?
The Central fund is 90k per club. Taking your biggest fixtures to a Thursday is not fan friendly and probably costs 30k pa, if we get 4 more fixtures as a result of the breakaway then the 90k can be covered. The potential losers are clubs with no ambition reliant on rfl handouts - go for it imho!!!!!
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| Quote ="maurice"You will be closer to the facts than most, how much funding would a club get for 'development' and would Sheffield get the same as Leigh for example?, Is this funding provided by the RFL? Do they enter a single bid for the sport or can it be achieved at local bid level? Would a breakaway reduce the RFL's capacity to get grants?'"
My understanding is that you bid for areas. You cover the work to be done, there's a surplus which goes towards your overheads.
Quote The Central fund is 90k per club. Taking your biggest fixtures to a Thursday is not fan friendly and probably costs 30k pa, if we get 4 more fixtures as a result of the breakaway then the 90k can be covered. The potential losers are clubs with no ambition reliant on rfl handouts - go for it imho!!!!!'"
Agree in part but four more fixtures is four more sets of wages, two more ground rents, two more buses yet only two more gates. The extra fixtures may well be in the middle of winter which won't help the gates. Or in pairs over the bank holidays - which isn't great for the players. Be prepared for coaches' - quite justifiable - moaning about injuries.
If matches make money, why bother with lotteries, sportsmen's dinners and RFL handouts ? Just play more games ...
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| Quote ="maurice"I class Barrow, Haven, Town, Leigh, Oldham, Rochdale, Fax, Fev, Batley, Sheffield, Keighley, Dewsbury and Swinton as a good break away comp. The SL tie ups will only be of interest to the dead clubs of Hunslet, York, Gateshead, Skolars, South and North Wales and the new boys in C1.
Break away, and do it now - they are fooked if we do. If my club accepts a tie up then I have walked from the game. We must force change together.'"
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| Quote ="griff1998"My understanding is that you bid for areas. You cover the work to be done, there's a surplus which goes towards your overheads.
Agree in part but four more fixtures is four more sets of wages, two more ground rents, two more buses yet only two more gates. The extra fixtures may well be in the middle of winter which won't help the gates. Or in pairs over the bank holidays - which isn't great for the players. Be prepared for coaches' - quite justifiable - moaning about injuries.
If matches make money, why bother with lotteries, sportsmen's dinners and RFL handouts ? Just play more games ...
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So would Sheffield get more development money than Leigh ? , that was the question
Matches at Leigh do make money, do they make any money for Sheffield ?
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| Quote ="Starbug"So would Sheffield get more development money than Leigh ? , that was the question '"
How would I know ?
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Matches at Leigh do make money, do they make any money for Sheffield ?'"
No.
Are you saying that Leigh don't need to run off-field activities ?
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| Quote :2jw87dssQuote ="griff1998":2jw87dssHow would I know ?
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Sorry I assumed you had knowledge of the system and how it can be used/exploited
Quote :2jw87dssNo.'" :2jw87dss so Sheffield dont make any actual income from matchdays ?
Quote :2jw87dssAre you saying that Leigh don't need to run off-field activities ?'" :2jw87dss'" stadium
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| Back on subject , it seems the Bulls new owners will be paying back 10 % of the clubs outstanding debts , how generous
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| littlerich owes me 5 squid.
that is all.
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