agree with you there mate. gotta keep with the times or become extinct.

I see that a new website has been set up to monitor the Shay sale: www.theshay.org I've had a quick look at it and, from what I can see, it's content is accurate and informative. Fair enough. I'll now sit back and see how quickly it fills up with hatred, mis-information and bile although I have a feeling that whoever set this up (suspect Bubba personally) has done so to distance themselves from the embarrassing rubbish which shaymen.net contains and bring the debate back to an adult level.

I see that a new website has been set up to monitor the Shay sale: www.theshay.org I've had a quick look at it and, from what I can see, it's content is accurate and informative. Fair enough. I'll now sit back and see how quickly it fills up with hatred, mis-information and bile although I have a feeling that whoever set this up (suspect Bubba personally) has done so to distance themselves from the embarrassing rubbish which shaymen.net contains and bring the debate back to an adult level.

Quote ="Fax Machine"I see that a new website has been set up to monitor the Shay sale: www.theshay.org I've had a quick look at it and, from what I can see, it's content is accurate and informative. Fair enough. I'll now sit back and see how quickly it fills up with hatred, mis-information and bile although I have a feeling that whoever set this up (suspect Bubba personally) has done so to distance themselves from the embarrassing rubbish which shaymen.net contains and bring the debate back to an adult level.'" I took a look at that myself last night but I think if Bubba wasn`t happy with some of the bile on the Shay site then as a moderater he would ensure the site was better policed ,it seems to me that anything goes on there . Also not sure at all about his involvement with the Towns Trust is he the Chair or even on the Committee ? Last I heard about 3 yrs ago he wasn`t even on the Committee as it seemed to be struggling the Committee was resigning he had already gone they were not having meetings and they had just been fined by the FSA because their financial affairs had not been done correctly.Now he apears to be their spokesperson again with another plan B in tow.

Quote ="Fax Machine"I see that a new website has been set up to monitor the Shay sale: www.theshay.org I've had a quick look at it and, from what I can see, it's content is accurate and informative. Fair enough. I'll now sit back and see how quickly it fills up with hatred, mis-information and bile although I have a feeling that whoever set this up (suspect Bubba personally) has done so to distance themselves from the embarrassing rubbish which shaymen.net contains and bring the debate back to an adult level.'" I took a look at that myself last night but I think if Bubba wasn`t happy with some of the bile on the Shay site then as a moderater he would ensure the site was better policed ,it seems to me that anything goes on there . Also not sure at all about his involvement with the Towns Trust is he the Chair or even on the Committee ? Last I heard about 3 yrs ago he wasn`t even on the Committee as it seemed to be struggling the Committee was resigning he had already gone they were not having meetings and they had just been fined by the FSA because their financial affairs had not been done correctly.Now he apears to be their spokesperson again with another plan B in tow.

Ive xxxx out some of his information. Wouldnt want him getting hate mail or anything.




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Hahaha

Surely if a website is set up to inform of developments with regards to The Shay, it should be the current owners that do it - Calderdale Council!

This is clearly a town fan's work, it has the same agenda but less of the bile!

The Council really need to step forward and the town fans need to realise their position in the big scheme of things - tenents with little or no say!

Getting desperate now aren't they

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Ignore them, little people with no ambition.
Take a look at the photo of Alfreton Towns ground in the Courier, the Town Luddites would prefer to play in a Stadium like that?
They are being offered a Stadium fit for purpose, do they want it?

Why is the current 'stadium' not fit for purpose? The only part that is not fit is the pitch.

If you can't be bothered to read through the posts to realise why it isn't fit for purpose - jog on! It's been explained enough times. It's not all about the two teams playing on the pitch!

Youre right Triran, its not about the two teams on the pitch. Just the one. The peanut huggers are just squatters

Nope we'd like to play in a stadium like the one we have now, perhaps even call it the Shay?

SO the Shay is perfect then?
No it isn't , for either team and it needs some investment which will NOT be coming from the council.
I'm afraid it's time to wake up and smell the coffee (from a new coffee shop perhaps), none of want to see the demise of the ground that has brought some many memories but it will only deteriorate if new funding is not found.

Please can we start refering to it by its correct name please......




Have to right click view image.

Just goes to prove the point we have all being trying to make, Town fans are happy with a deterorting stadium, a pitch that can't last the winter, in fact to live in their own little backward world.
Next Sunday the Stadium is going to host 8000 people, how many do you think will go away with favourable impresions of "The New Shay"?
Over to you Bubba.

The following is a quote from the groundsman at the Shay.

[i"I'd like to know how people see the shay as a run down stadium. Its better than a few in super league and probably wouldn't be out of place in footballs division 1 and even some in the championship. The council have improved it a lot in last. 6 months some of the things which aren't obvious to a lot of people. New guttering and drainage on the skircoat stand drainage and sewerage work linking skircoat to the south stand. New roof skircoat turnstiles as well as all the work on the north stand."[/i

Not quite sure what extra you'd like to see? The council have made sure that the ground is not run down. If you took a look at the ground just 15 years ago you'd see the differences from then. We don't need to redevelop the ground ever 15 years do we? It is absolutely fine for both clubs, if anything it is too big. No chance of either side ever filling the 12500 capacity, to make the ground bigger would simply make it a white elephant, akin to Darlington.

One minute I'm Gavin and one minute I'm Geoff. Make your minds up ladies.

Supergeoff is it really you ?This is like Surprise Surprise

see ya next week

.Bring the money you owe me

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yep nobody is denying that the Council have put money into the stadium and good but face facts this has only been done to get the World Cup game on Sunday, I doubt the North Stand and other minor improvements would have been done otherwise, I accept maybe the pitch would have had some money spent on it as it was a needs must.
On the down side I use the away changing rooms for 5 a side and they are deteriorating already with mould on the walls, damaged wall tiles & some roof tiles are mouldy plus a damaged treatment table which looks bad. The South Stand toilets aint clever and the walls in the banqueting and other facilities in the east Stand are all marked which looks poor, if they can't afford a lick of paint then blimey come on. A private concern would not allow this, front of house is important and these are the bits people see.

But the work has been done, so no worries on that front. I can only speak for the South Stand toilets on that front (ohh err) but I don't think they're as bad as you make out, certainly in better condition than most that I've been to not sure what you're expecting?

The only part of the stadium I have a major concern with is the South-East annex, and I would have no problems with Tony moving Reactiv into there.

I don't think I have ever heard anyone else argue AGAINST developing and improving something.

Enough said really, how can you have a sensible debate with reasoning like that.

And you're quite right, there is always something that can be improved. But not to the extent planned and it can be done under council ownership.

I would have thought that was for the Councilors to decide , I cannot see them being dictated to as to what they are going to have to do down there .

And I'm sure when the time comes they will deliver, as they have done with the North Stand.

At the end of the day though Geoff you and I have no real say in the matter, it's not our money and even if we did have why would our prefferences be any better or more acceptable to anyone other than ourselves.
It's just what we think based on our own bias and prejudices.

Back to simple logic again and down to choices depending on if the council decide to sell or not.

Option 1. The council keep ownership and it will not improve much more than it is now as they do not have the money, nor will it generate any other income from other uses or areas.

Option 2. Reactiv takes ownership and develope it well beyond what it is now and open up a number of opportunities to generate income from other uses or areas.

These stadiums can and need to be so much more than just the home of the local sporting teams so don't just think of development and improvement in those terms, those days are in the past if you want to stay alive in 2013 and beyond.

Option 3. Some unknown party with unknown intentions takes ownership.

Make your choice with a balanced unbiased view.

I walked past today and the Skircoat Road side always looks a mess and then there are all the trees inside the ground, I don't know of many grounds that have this. There is potential to make the ground generate a decent income but it needs investment from a party that really does want to do rather than just do the basics which the council are doing.