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| I just hope that the players are as fired up as some of the fans it will be a cracking game if they are. I may have written off our chances at the start of the week but i am just starting to fancy us grabbing a close win by a couple of points. However if we do get to the end of march without winning any more games then of course simon should be under pressure that is what he is paid for. We can not rely on going on a 10 match wining run every season to get in the playoffs.
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| Ah, no Roberts, surprise, surprise. It just goes to show the idiocy of DR. He was in last weeks squad and therefore presumably trained with us. Giants don't allow him to be in this weeks squad so training without him. What a waste of time. I wonder what our own players think of the situation?
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| Quote ="Hudd-Shay"Ah, no Roberts, surprise, surprise. It just goes to show the idiocy of DR. He was in last weeks squad and therefore presumably trained with us. Giants don't allow him to be in this weeks squad so training without him. What a waste of time. I wonder what our own players think of the situation?
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Cmon Pete keep up , Hudds won’t let you play Roberts because it would cuptie to you , and Hudds couldn’t play him later , it’s the same with us we DR with Saints ,Dan Norman and Jake Wingfield can’t can’t for us , after they played against York , it’s just the rules .
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| It will be interesting who gets the nod at fullback because i thought aston had a poor game against widnes and if you are going to drop jouffret for his performance at batley then he needs to drop cory this week.The team i would go with is.
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| Quote ="The Charlie Caroli"Cmon Pete keep up , Hudds won’t let you play Roberts because it would cuptie to you , and Hudds couldn’t play him later , it’s the same with us we DR with Saints ,Dan Norman and Jake Wingfield can’t can’t for us , after they played against York , it’s just the rules .'"
I realise that Ian. The points i am making refer to the disruption around training for a player who in the end up didn't come and the effect on team morale. It's utter codswallop! Up The Fax!
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| Quote ="Hudd-Shay"I realise that Ian. The points i am making refer to the disruption around training for a player who in the end up didn't come and the effect on team morale. It's utter codswallop! Up The Fax!
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Pete , I know yer views on DR , and respect yer opinion , the thing is the player on DR trains with his parent Club during the week till around Thursday when he goes to train with his adopted Club , I grant you not ideal but it’s how things are .
Again morale of the team can be boosted or be negative , we at Leigh keep signing all these overseas players , some fans think it’s wrong and affects the players knowing at whatever time a player can come in and take their place , it’s like familiarity breeding contempt , I see it as the original team members thinking , it will make them put in extra effort to keep their place .
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| Roberts is a good player and probably just the sort of forward we need, especially as it sounds Matty Gee is not likely to play in the near future. Doesn't appear to feature in Huddersfield plans and therefore could well be available long term. I would personally like to see him play next week - if this weeks pack know that's a possibility you'd like to think each one is motivated to make sure its not them that makes way. This isn't about flooding the team with random different players each week but hopefully providing someone who can play regularly for us, improving the team which we couldn't otherwise afford.
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| Quote ="Ilkley Fax"Roberts is a good player and probably just the sort of forward we need, especially as it sounds Matty Gee is not likely to play in the near future. Doesn't appear to feature in Huddersfield plans and therefore could well be available long term. I would personally like to see him play next week - if this weeks pack know that's a possibility you'd like to think each one is motivated to make sure its not them that makes way. This isn't about flooding the team with random different players each week but hopefully providing someone who can play regularly for us, improving the team which we couldn't otherwise afford.'"
In that case the loan system, with a minimum timescale, is available to be used.
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| Quote ="Hudd-Shay"In that case the loan system, with a minimum timescale, is available to be used.'"
Not sure in reality what the difference is - last year we had Hewitt and Borough on season long loans and they were pulled back by their clubs seemingly when they wanted. I may well be wrong but I also thought that with a loan we would be responsible for players wages but not with DR.
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| Quote ="Ilkley Fax"Not sure in reality what the difference is - last year we had Hewitt and Borough on season long loans and they were pulled back by their clubs seemingly when they wanted. I may well be wrong but I also thought that with a loan we would be responsible for players wages but not with DR.'"
Simply write the minimum length of the loan into the deal. If the clubs can't agree to that, no deal and look elsewhere.
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| Quote ="Ilkley Fax"Not sure in reality what the difference is - last year we had Hewitt and Borough on season long loans and they were pulled back by their clubs seemingly when they wanted. I may well be wrong but I also thought that with a loan we would be responsible for players wages but not with DR.'"
Yep the reality is that very few SL clubs are willing to allow long-term loans, simply because that injuries and suspensions can quickly decimate a squad.It makes little sense for them to send out players without a recall clause unless they absolutely can't envisage a situation where they might need that player.
I remember watching a video around January where Mick Gledhill was saying that he thought Bradford having players on long-term loans from Leeds was preferable to DR because they were less likely to be recalled and were more fringe players, and also an interview with John Kear where he sounded pretty confident there wouldn't be any recalls from the trio they had announced as coming to them.
Of the 3 players supposedly on long-term loan, one is injured, another (Jarred O'Connor) was recalled to Leeds before he even played for Bradford, and a third (Cory Johnson) was recalled to Leeds about an hour before kick off after Bradford has named him in their starting 13 at Leigh.
The loan system isn't really a lot different to DR in the modern game.
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| One thing that is a positive regarding duel reg is the merging of reserves , so today Ben tibbs got a run out and Oliver roberts too so if they are called upon they’re not going into the games cold, its a shame the likes of Liam whitton ( good luck at Cornwall btw ) wasn’t given a go in the Huddersfield reserves and I’d like to see Cole Oakley given a chance in this system. I’m not a fan of duel reg but if the door swings both ways that at least is a benefit .
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| Quote ="Listenup94"One thing that is a positive regarding duel reg is the merging of reserves , so today Ben tibbs got a run out and Oliver roberts too so if they are called upon they’re not going into the games cold, its a shame the likes of Liam whitton ( good luck at Cornwall btw ) wasn’t given a go in the Huddersfield reserves and I’d like to see Cole Oakley given a chance in this system. I’m not a fan of duel reg but if the door swings both ways that at least is a benefit .'"
Merged reserves? Whatever next? Utter madness!
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| Quote ="Hudd-Shay"Merged reserves? Whatever next? Utter madness!
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| Quote ="Listenup94"Utter madness, why ? What’s your suggestion?'"
Run our own reserve team like we did up to a couple of years ago before the rfl stepped in.
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| Quote ="Hudd-Shay"Run our own reserve team like we did up to a couple of years ago before the rfl stepped in.
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| Quote ="Listenup94"In an ideal world yes but the next best thing is to have what we have now, at least players are getting game time, players aren’t going to sit there and wait forever, I’d rather have our fringe players playing so A they don’t bugger off to Cornwall and B they’re closer to match fitness when they’re called upon .'"
Well that's not my idea of what sport should be about at all. But each to their own. Up The Fax!
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| Quote ="Hudd-Shay"Run our own reserve team like we did up to a couple of years ago before the rfl stepped in.
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Well these 2 years your talking about have been 2 years of covid related reduced revenues.
Maybe you could come up with the 50 grand plus per season that it costs to run the reserves and provide the players of sufficient number and quality to make it worth the effort and expense because that is exactly what your proposing and asking others to do, talk is cheap, reality is not.
And back on thread and back to the real world, tough game tomorrow against quality opposition but these are the games both supporters and players look forward to and are focussed on.
But that’s just my opinion. Up the Fax and a nice cup of tea.
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| Sorry but With everything else going on in the world a game of rugby league doesnt seem very interesting or relevant . Fev to win but nobody is all that bothered
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| Quote ="Ohmetoe"Sorry but With everything else going on in the world a game of rugby league doesnt seem very interesting or relevant . Fev to win but nobody is all that bothered'"
Relatively speaking very likely true but more negativity like your post hardly helps and if others think a game of rugby league does help then that’s up to them and why not.
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| Quote ="faxcar"Well these 2 years your talking about have been 2 years of covid related reduced revenues.
Maybe you could come up with the 50 grand plus per season that it costs to run the reserves and provide the players of sufficient number and quality to make it worth the effort and expense because that is exactly what your proposing and asking others to do, talk is cheap, reality is not.
And back on thread and back to the real world, tough game tomorrow against quality opposition but these are the games both supporters and players look forward to and are focussed on.
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Obviously I don't have £50,000 a year. The reserves were funded partly with funds raised by the supporters club of which I regularly contributed to. I'm not asking anyone to do owt at all just pointing out that Halifax RLFC should be just that and not a joint venture with any other club. If I can contribute in my small way I will do and it is up to others to choose how they support our club.
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| Quote ="Hudd-Shay"Obviously I don't have £50,000 a year. The reserves were funded partly with funds raised by the supporters club of which I regularly contributed to. I'm not asking anyone to do owt at all just pointing out that Halifax RLFC should be just that and not a joint venture with any other club. If I can contribute in my small way I will do and it is up to others to choose how they support our club.'"
I am fully aware of how the funds were raised and who did it and as many, if not all on here personally contributed but there will be many who are struggling financially owing to the impact of covid.
Clearly the period running up to 2 years ago things were vastly different.
The reality of now is Fax, acting responsibly have had to readjust to the current situation just like we all have and simply can not afford to run a reserve team that you did propose and in effect ask for.
At every level Fax are a fully independent club and as such the BoD have the right to choose what arrangements they enter into regarding the running and management of the club.
To have a mutually beneficial reserves arrangement does not change their independence rather because it’s their decision actually confirms it.
Likewise any personal objections or opinions we may have on DR or loans has no relevance whatsoever to any clubs independence.
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| Quote ="faxcar"I am fully aware of how the funds were raised and who did it and as many, if not all on here personally contributed but there will be many who are struggling financially owing to the impact of covid.
Clearly the period running up to 2 years ago things were vastly different.
The reality of now is Fax, acting responsibly have had to readjust to the current situation just like we all have and simply can not afford to run a reserve team that you did propose and in effect ask for.
At every level Fax are a fully independent club and as such the BoD have the right to choose what arrangements they enter into regarding the running and management of the club.
To have a mutually beneficial reserves arrangement does not change their independence rather because it’s their decision actually confirms it.
Likewise any personal objections or opinions we may have on DR or loans has no relevance whatsoever to any clubs independence.'"
To use Dual Registration and have an 'arrangement' regarding players is hardly being independent in my book.
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