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| Quote ="The Phantom Horseman"Respectfully, I don't think you know the rules, do you? Craven is the marker. He doesn't have to be behind the line. If the play the ball is 12 inches from the line, as it was, and his foot is six inches from the line, he's onside. In any case, his left foot was behind the line (and his right foot in front of it) and my understanding is that would be classed as being behind the line even if he weren't the marker.
Well that’s interesting and incorrect.
I only know and understand the rules from what I experienced playing, watching and reading which includes the following.
Quotes: “If the attacking team are less than 10m from the try line, then the referee will tell the defending team to get behind the try line.”
"Behind when applied to a player means, unless otherwise stated, that both feet are behind the position in question. Similarly 'in front of' means nearer to one's opponent's goal line."
(Which considering the field position and proximity to the try line must include the marker otherwise he would be stood in the play the ball.)
And.
“A defending player is offside if they are less than 10 metres away from the play-the-ball (or, if the play-the-ball is inside his 10-metre line, closer to it than the try-line is.”
(Which he was closer to the ptb with his foot being beyond the try line.)
What are you basing your understanding on to say (“Craven is the marker. He doesn't have to be behind the line. If the play the ball is 12 inches from the line, as it was, and his foot is six inches from the line, he's onside. In any case, his left foot was behind the line (and his right foot in front of it) and my understanding is that would be classed as being behind the line even if he weren't the marker”) because it seems to contradict the above quoted rules.
Is it a something you know for sure or just your general interpretation?
I only ask because, respectfully, I don’t think you know the rules do you?
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| No really much to add to what has been said already. Some players had terrible games; Barber, Worthington, and Mcomb. We really are short on line busting centres. Arundel really hasn't set the world alight, a couple of 5-metre walkins doesn't disguise his lack of impact. Worthington is on his way but he really isn't the centre of his Featherstone days. Mccomb for all is endeavour is going to be limited by his lack of size. But not discounting some obscene errors tonight, Tangata's and Walmsley's were the difference. I actually felt we lacked leadership tonight and was concerning that we couldn't stop the flow in the second half. All in all, despite the loss, we improved from last season and had evidently moved to a new level. Just fell one game short of last year. We closed the gap on Fev and with some shrewd investment, hoping we can attract players to come play under Grix as I am confident that he can attract even better players.
Players on the move; Worthington, Garside, Barber, Morris, Larroyer? Knowles?
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| Gutted, stayed up til the wee hours to listen on Radio . Thought at half time fax would light the touch paper and blow York away second half. all said been a great season, well done to SG and his ream, massive improvement on last season, keeping most of the squad together for next year, another couple of good additions ( players should be asking to be part of this set up) and go again next year.
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| Quote ="the fax in asia"Gutted, stayed up til the wee hours to listen on Radio . Thought at half time fax would light the touch paper and blow York away second half. all said been a great season, well done to SG and his ream, massive improvement on last season, keeping most of the squad together for next year, another couple of good additions ( players should be asking to be part of this set up) and go again next year.
Blue n white forever. Up the fax.
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Well you won't have been on your own staying up to the wee hours, not to listen to the game but there will have been many thinking about it and couldn't get to sleep
Unfortunately for me I used to be a strong chess player and have the sort of mind that can't stop thinking about the match analysing this and that the following morning conclusion being, on our side the silly mistakes that have been with us all year for varying periods in every game caught up with us.
From the York side they played as well as I hoped we would and deserved it.
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| Don't know if it was last weeks efforts but for almost first time this season we didn't look as fit as the opposition- yes they were allowed to stand offside on numerous occasions but they just seemed to have more energy in both attack and defence as a result of which we hardly spent any time near their line especially in the second half. When we did that was the most clunky I've seen our attack for months. Sad that after a brilliant season that's the memory supporters will take into the summer- will be interesting to see now who stays/go's and what new arrivals come in . Felt for Ed Barber yesterday - he's had a fantastic season and tackled anything that moved yesterday, but on his last match seemed to be trying just too hard and as a result made more mistakes than the rest of the season combined.
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| Obviously a very disappointing result which doesn’t reflect the progress we’ve made this season but that’s sport I’m afraid , you win some you lose some . Hopefully we can use this experience as a squad and learn some lessons for next season. Overall a great season with some brilliant individual and team performances and a great brand of rugby to watch , see you next year when we do it all again.
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| Very balanced and dignified responses from members of this forum to what was a shock result for all. The Wigan board went into meltdown after their loss. Give yourselves a slap on the back!
Hoping not to visit The Shay next year but who knows with this craziness? !
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| [Part quote="Bent&Bongser" The Wigan board went into meltdown after their loss.
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| Credit to york they wanted that more than us on the day which can happen but that doesn't stop it feeling like a kick in the balls. I would say that is the best i have seen them play since ben Cockayne tormented us a few years back. As for us i would put that in our 3 worst performances of this season along with widnes at home and london away. We did score some well taken tries in the first half but even going in 12 points up at halftime i thought york where the better side and it got even worse for us in the second half in what was a very disappointing way to end what has been overall a good season.
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| Quote ="terry silver"Credit to york they wanted that more than us on the day which can happen but that doesn't stop it feeling like a kick in the balls. I would say that is the best i have seen them play since ben Cockayne tormented us a few years back. As for us i would put that in our 3 worst performances of this season along with widnes at home and london away. We did score some well taken tries in the first half but even going in 12 points up at halftime i thought york where the better side and it got even worse for us in the second half in what was a very disappointing way to end what has been overall a good season.'"
I could have written that, word for word. Up The Fax!
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| Aye, very disappointing but it would be wrong to let one result hide the fact that it's been a good season for us results wise and entertainment wise. What we need to do now as a club is build on that into what will be a historic season for Fax next year. A few tweaks here and there could push us onto the next level. Heres hoping. Up The Fax! The Grove, shuddersfield. Oakham Citra 4.2% Mmm!
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| Quote ="Hudd-Shay"Aye, very disappointing but it would be wrong to let one result hide the fact that it's been a good season for us results wise and entertainment wise. What we need to do now as a club is build on that into what will be a historic season for Fax next year. A few tweaks here and there could push us onto the next level. Heres hoping. Up The Fax! The Grove, shuddersfield. Oakham Citra 4.2% Mmm!
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The early vibes coming from the club fit exactly in with the building and pushing on thought and it won’t be long before the club starts to announce more outgoings, retentions and incomings.
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| Quote ="Hudd-Shay"Aye, very disappointing but it would be wrong to let one result hide the fact that it's been a good season for us results wise and entertainment wise. What we need to do now as a club is build on that into what will be a historic season for Fax next year. A few tweaks here and there could push us onto the next level. Heres hoping. Up The Fax! The Grove, shuddersfield. Oakham Citra 4.2% Mmm!
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I think you are right when the dust settles on this season we can look back and say it has been a very good season. However disappointing sunday was that will not over shadow the improvement the team has made this year playing some very entertaining attacking rugby and i think our defence does not always get the credit it deserves if i am right we had the second best defensive record this season. All we need now is someone with plenty of cash to pump into the club and we can really kick on from that point of view i do wonder if simon grix will get to the point that i think Richard marshall got to that without more money coming into the club how far can he take us and if he does get to that point how much longer will he stay.
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| Does anyone have any idea how much Sunday’s result has cost in central funding?
As on another thread it was quite a discussion ,
Ie finish 3rd but lose knockout = finishing 6th, does not make sense but then again whenever have RFL decisions made sense?
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| Quote ="the fax in asia"Does anyone have any idea how much Sunday’s result has cost in central funding?
As on another thread it was quite a discussion ,
Ie finish 3rd but lose knockout = finishing 6th, does not make sense but then again whenever have RFL decisions made sense?'"
I think trying to find clarity in rugby league is a near on impossible task. Needless to say the loss against York won’t have helped us financially, to what degree is open to multiple interpretations at this point I’m afraid .
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| Quote ="Listenup94"I think trying to find clarity in rugby league is a near on impossible task. Needless to say the loss against York won’t have helped us financially, to what degree is open to multiple interpretations at this point I’m afraid .'"
Does that mean we finish below Barrow? How can that be it makes no sense at all.
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| Quote ="Faxlore"Does that mean we finish below Barrow? How can that be it makes no sense at all.'"
Not barrow no , they finished below us and also lost in the first preliminary, if I had to guess I’d say we were ranked 5th in terms of funding but apparently there are other factors as regards central funding like social media hits and attendances so I’m not 100% sure .
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| Quote ="Listenup94"Not barrow no , they finished below us and also lost in the first preliminary, if I had to guess I’d say we were ranked 5th in terms of funding but apparently there are other factors as regards central funding like social media hits and attendances so I’m not 100% sure .'"
Absolutely farcical but that's RL for you. On the match itself I finally plucked up courage and watched it back on video. The teams were very even with only the finest margins deciding the outcome. Roll on next season. Up The Fax!
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| Quote ="Hudd-Shay"Absolutely farcical but that's RL for you. On the match itself I finally plucked up courage and watched it back on video. The teams were very even with only the finest margins deciding the outcome. Roll on next season. Up The Fax!
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I haven’t managed to muster up the mental strength to watch it back yet , I’ve watched all the games back this year win or lose but that particular game was heartbreaking, i genuinely thought we’d get to the final this year but hey ho that’s sport .
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| Not that I have been counting, but how many times has J K hit the posts with conversions or penalties? 6 +
Bloody good shot , them sticks are thin !
Not that I am dissing him been a great boot , although he might ask LM to go inside as most of his tries are touchline.
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| Quote ="Listenup94"I haven’t managed to muster up the mental strength to watch it back yet , I’ve watched all the games back this year win or lose but that particular game was heartbreaking, i genuinely thought we’d get to the final this year but hey ho that’s sport .'"
Aye, I was positive we would make the final if we got past York.
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| Quote ="Listenup94"I haven’t managed to muster up the mental strength to watch it back yet , I’ve watched all the games back this year win or lose but that particular game was heartbreaking, i genuinely thought we’d get to the final this year but hey ho that’s sport .'"
Yeah same, not watched it back and also was pretty confident that we would make the final. I know its not much consolation in knock out rugby but even playing so far below par like we did we really were not far off winning the game and it took York to be very good to beat us. At least that is a little positive we can take out of it in to next season.
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| Did York leave it all at the Shay, shipping 70 against Leigh ?
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| Great result for Batley. Dead chuffed for them
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