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| Quote ="Beaujangles"Horses for courses for me.Swinton at home and i'd echo your thoughts.The reality is we are 2/4 from playing 3 ordinary/poor sides,this week is a different level.Some of our squad should be nowhere near a fixture like this and i could easily make a case for any of,Gilmore,Morris,Garside,Barber,Davies(2)Mcgrath,Calcott,Fleming not been involved if there were 3/4 quality alternatives available,which is how DR works when utilised properly,not the half-d confusing method we use.I accept anything can happen in live sport but we get off to a poor start with that squad and a 40/50 point tonking is again on the cards.'"
Not really my thoughts just echoing what SG had said, that he would reward performance with being picked, nothing confusing about that and once he said that he has to stand by it to have any credibility.
Also we have no information of who these 3 to 4 quality alternatives Huddersfield are, as you say it’s an “if”.
How can we say that’s how DR works, on a “if”, it’s just guessing at best, wishful thinking at worst that then becomes a point of criticism when that option may not even exist in the first place!
Straw man comes to mind.
It’s then further reasoned that because we haven’t used these “if” players we should sack DR completely and concentrate on our own players but when we do, like for this fixture, several of them shouldn’t be anywhere near it and we’re going to get a 40 to 50 point tonking.
We can’t compete with any club having X times our spending power.
Stand alone, strength wise we are where we are and the club are doing their best as will the lads on Sunday.
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| Quote ="faxcar"Does that mean you are going to the game?'"
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| Quote ="faxcar"Not really my thoughts just echoing what SG had said, that he would reward performance with being picked, nothing confusing about that and once he said that he has to stand by it to have any credibility.
Also we have no information of who these 3 to 4 quality alternatives Huddersfield are, as you say it’s an “if”.
How can we say that’s how DR works, on a “if”, it’s just guessing at best, wishful thinking at worst that then becomes a point of criticism when that option may not even exist in the first place!
Straw man comes to mind.
It’s then further reasoned that because we haven’t used these “if” players we should sack DR completely and concentrate on our own players but when we do, like for this fixture, several of them shouldn’t be anywhere near it and we’re going to get a 40 to 50 point tonking.
We can’t compete with any club having X times our spending power.
Stand alone, strength wise we are where we are and the club are doing their best as will the lads on Sunday.'"
Featherstone did last season and came within 10 minutes of doing Toronto with all their advantages.....they did it with regularly using 4 super league standard players in their squad to bridge the gap in abilities within their squad.My view is we do the same or not use it at all.
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| Quote ="faxcar":3dy8ccfjQuote A lot of what I say is a wind up, I have many Fax friends,a very good one who is a Director at Fax,I’m gutted I won’t be at the game on Sunday but I’m only going to see 1 game in March as my daughter is performing in Liverpool and London .I really hope Sunday’s game is a good one , our pack has impressed me a lot recently,I predict a big future for young Lewis Bienek our prop.Stay lucky.
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I presume by King Kev you refer to Larroyer..?He was hardly dumped, as I understood it when Leigh didn’t make the top5 from the previous season Derek let a fair few players go to other Clubs or stay on reduced contracts ,Larroyer, Evans , and another player whose name I can’t think of refused both options and threatened court action, it was sensibly avoided when Larroyer signed for Fax , Evans went to Bradford I still can’t think of the other guy.
Derek however regained his appetite for Leigh because nobody was interested in buying his shares,at the end of last season he put a few pounds in to try to win the play offs including signing Kevin Brown, but it failed.
This season Derek has kept a low profile , let Duffy get on with the job ,and it’s paying dividends, I do predict we may enter the transfer market again IF we get into the top 5.I do hope this helps, as for myself?Hardly close season silence, I just don’t see Fax as one of our competitors for a top 5 spot this season.However you never know after your York victory.Im hoping for a good game , but after seeing our Squad it seems a very strong 17 will turn out..
I will be at the Shay for the return fixture.And I’m very disappointed in Hudd Shays stance on a Fax boycott.Cmon Pete don’t give up.
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| Quote ="Beaujangles"Featherstone did last season and came within 10 minutes of doing Toronto with all their advantages.....they did it with regularly using 4 super league standard players in their squad to bridge the gap in abilities within their squad.My view is we do the same or not use it at all.'"
Well insisting that there will be 4 SL standard players available every week isn’t how DR works.
Regardless, the coaching staff sit down and look at all the players available for selection any given week from their own squad, on DR and loan deals etc.
They then pick the strongest team from those.
Simple really and I can’t see why SG or any other coach would not do the same but it’s inferred that he leaves out better players and deliberately weakens the team, it just makes no sense to me.
No doubt in one of the pre or post match interviews SG will be asked the question, “why no DR this week” so I’ll wait and see what he says.
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| Quote ="charlie caroli":1vlpa1n7Not preseason though Ian (no posting then old pal, just silence) when Mr B had allegedly walked and Fax had to step in and save King Kev from becoming destitute when he had not been paid and just dumped by Deggsy.
What's coming forth compered to impoverishment?
Charlie Knows.'"
It is in no way a Fax boycott Ian, I'm just getting more and more disillusioned with the game as a whole. There's hardly a week goes by without summat else daft rearing it's ugly head. Aye, I'm not happy with what's going on at Fax but we've a wedding in Mexico in't Summer so we'll pick and chose matches to go to and hopefully the game in general comes to it's senses before it's too late.
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| Part Quote I'm just getting more and more disillusioned with the game as a whole. There's hardly a week goes by without summat else daft rearing it's ugly head. Aye, I'm not happy with what's going on at Fax but we've a wedding in Mexico in't Summer so we'll pick and chose matches to go to and hopefully the game in general comes to it's senses before it's too late.
Touched on before by Bentleyman and others Hudds the game will see some big changes, the Champ and Champ 1 clubs met just a couple of weeks back to start preliminary discussions.
Now moved to new thread, "big changes coming", keeps us occupied.
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| Fax more than capable of winning this one, but I think (we) Leigh will be victorious by 12 points.
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| Quote ="Beaujangles"Horses for courses for me.Swinton at home and i'd echo your thoughts.The reality is we are 2/4 from playing 3 ordinary/poor sides,this week is a different level.Some of our squad should be nowhere near a fixture like this and i could easily make a case for any of,Gilmore,Morris,Garside,Barber,Davies(2)Mcgrath,Calcott,Fleming not been involved if there were 3/4 quality alternatives available,which is how DR works when utilised properly,not the half-d confusing method we use.I accept anything can happen in live sport but we get off to a poor start with that squad and a 40/50 point tonking is again on the cards.'"
Think that's a little harsh on some of those that you mentioned. Especially for Gilmore, Morris and Barber. Think Gilmore has had terrible luck with injuries. I think he is more than a competent halfback, Morris is one of those players that will get dismissed purely on his size but he consistently makes good meters and Barber for me is a very talented back-rower, good hands, his problem for me is his weight and fitness. Leigh is a good a team but they are not the team of recent years where they tonked everyone in the super 8's. They have good players but certainly beatable.
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| Not sure when we last won at the Leigh sports village
Think we last Won there 36-16 in 2011 so a long time between drinks big improvement in discipline needed but who knows
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| Quote ="bentleyman"Not sure when we last won at the Leigh sports village
Think we last Won there 36-16 in 2011 so a long time between drinks big improvement in discipline needed =#FF4000but who knows'"
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To those of you trekking over to our side of the hill, have a safe journey, but not too enjoyable afternoon.
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| Charlie knows nowt!! Not sure if we have met Alan but I always enjoy my trips to Leytherland
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| Quote ="bentleyman"Charlie knows nowt!! Not sure if we have met Alan but I always enjoy my trips to Leytherland'"
Likewise, I love my trips to the Shay. A lovely stadium with a great atmosphere - even when we have had some hammerings there!
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| Quote ="charlie caroli"
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Yep, he magnaminously allowed them to go to other clubs.
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| Charlie is oh so friendly on here but really quite offensive on the Leigh forum.
Quote : "The Fax squad are not that worrying , honestly how many of the Fax squad would get into our starting 17.?None."
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| Quote ="Fax Machine"Charlie is oh so friendly on here but really quite offensive on the Leigh forum.
Quote : "The Fax squad are not that worrying , honestly how many of the Fax squad would get into our starting 17.?None."'"
We could ask it the other way round.
"Honestly how many of the Leigh squad would get into our starting 17.?None."
Why, because we can't afford them!!
I do believe Charlie is a genuinely friendly guy but gets carried away at times and gets friendlier depending on how the Leythers are performing.
Told yer, he sings loudest and posts only when Leigh are winning, when they aren't it's silence.
Free round in that sense today, lose and it's what most people expect, win and we feel a better for a few days, either way life goes on and doesn't depend on a rugby game.
Up the Fax.
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| Quote ="Fax Machine"Charlie is oh so friendly on here but really quite offensive on the Leigh forum.
Quote : "The Fax squad are not that worrying , honestly how many of the Fax squad would get into our starting 17.?None."'"
The guy has got more faces than the town clock.
Don't forget when he created an alternate login and for months used it to be offensive and rude, often having conversations with his other login, talking to himself on the forum. He went into hiding for a long time once he got found out.
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| Quote ="TheEnforcer273"The guy has got more faces than the town clock.
Don't forget when he created an alternate login and for months used it to be offensive and rude, often having conversations with his other login, talking to himself on the forum. He went into hiding for a long time once he got found out.
A very very odd person indeed.'"
It always of great delight when that is brought back up.
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| There's nowt up with Charlie, apart from being lancastrian, a proper RL bloke if ever there was one. What's offensive about having an opinion? whether you agree with the way Leigh are run by Mr Beaumont or not it would be hard to contest Charlie's claim regarding the players.
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| Quote ="Hudd-Shay"There's nowt up with Charlie, a proper RL bloke if ever there was one. What's offensive about having an opinion? Wether you agree with the way Leigh are run by Mr Beaumont or not it would be hard to contest Charlie's claim regarding the players.'"
Leigh have a good team but they are hardly a team of superstars!
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| Leigh are no world beaters and Fax could quite possibly go there today and win but...they have spent their brass on players whilst Fax have kept players who frankly are lucky to have been kept on another year. The thing is though games aren't won on paper and team spirit can take you a long way. It is Simon Grix's job to install that into the players and get the most out of them that he can.
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| Quote ="Hudd-Shay"There's nowt up with Charlie, apart from being lancastrian, a proper RL bloke if ever there was one. What's offensive about having an opinion? whether you agree with the way Leigh are run by Mr Beaumont or not it would be hard to contest Charlie's claim regarding the players.'"
He’s at Crufts today as a spaniel, could be a King Charles but more likely a Cocker.
His thorough bread is called Degsy and it’s main trick is brining dozens of rugby balls in and then dropping them and walking away when he gets bored.
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| The same players making the same mistakes, giving away the same penalties week on week.
Clearly displaying an inability to listen to their coach and change.
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| Quote ="TheEnforcer273"The same players making the same mistakes, giving away the same penalties week on week.
Clearly displaying an inability to listen to their coach and change.
Be surprised if certain players are seen again in the team for a while.'"
That's the thing though, we can all see it from the stands so the coach must be able to see it but gives the same spiel in his interviews and then does the same thing the next game depsite talking about the definition of insanity. To go in at 14-10 down at half time despite the first 15 minutes and Leigh been a player down, to then end up dropping out from the kick off, giving numerous penalties and ended up 3 scores behind was just abysmal.
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