On Sky Sports Golden Point at 7pm this evening there was a lot of talk about tomorrows vote.

It was mentioned that what had been heard behind the scenes, some SL clubs had been ringing round their DR partners in the Champ and Champ 1 suggesting, vote for us or you may have to think again about getting any of our players.

Feeder, feeder.

It really is beyond belief that any non SL club could vote for these proposals. If voted through it will be the end of some of the most famous clubs in the game. Shame on the selfish, greedy, individuals who are only interested in their own clubs at the expense of the rest of rugby league.

Have a read of these well written articles by the Bulls Chairman. https://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/ ... -for-game/ https://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/ ... -big-vote/

Have a read of these well written articles by the Bulls Chairman. https://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/ ... -for-game/ https://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/ ... -big-vote/

Quote ="Faxlore"Have a read of these well written articles by the Bulls Chairman. https://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/ ... -for-game/ https://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/ ... -big-vote/'" Absolutely spot on. Read it and weep. I never thought I'd see the day when I agreed with owt coming out of Odsal. These two articles should be made compulsory reading before any club puts their vote in today.

Quote ="Faxlore"Have a read of these well written articles by the Bulls Chairman. https://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/ ... -for-game/ https://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/ ... -big-vote/'" Absolutely spot on. Read it and weep. I never thought I'd see the day when I agreed with owt coming out of Odsal. These two articles should be made compulsory reading before any club puts their vote in today.

Agree very well written articles. The fact still remains ( as I understand it), with the vote allocation should super league vote together en mass however the C and C 1 huff and puff S/L still have enough votes to carry the proposals.

Not as I understand it. The RFL also has votes as does the amateur game. If us lower and unworthy clubs stick together SL greed will be stuffed.

Excellent articles. It's no wonder the likes of Lenagan want even more money to bail them out of their own mess. The latest Wigan RLFC accounts ……….. https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/comp ... ng-history ……… show that they lost over £400k for the year and are actually insolvent by over £2 million, being propped up by Lenagan Investments Limited whom they owed nearly £6 million as at 30/11/17.

Excellent articles. It's no wonder the likes of Lenagan want even more money to bail them out of their own mess. The latest Wigan RLFC accounts ……….. https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/comp ... ng-history ……… show that they lost over £400k for the year and are actually insolvent by over £2 million, being propped up by Lenagan Investments Limited whom they owed nearly £6 million as at 30/11/17.

Quote ="Fuzzy Duck"Excellent articles. It's no wonder the likes of Lenagan want even more money to bail them out of their own mess. The latest Wigan RLFC accounts ……….. https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/comp ... ng-history ……… show that they lost over £400k for the year and are actually insolvent by over £2 million, being propped up by Lenagan Investments Limited whom they owed nearly £6 million as at 30/11/17.'" Stop whining. It's better than last year, isn't it ? They're going in the right direction.

Quote ="Fuzzy Duck"Excellent articles. It's no wonder the likes of Lenagan want even more money to bail them out of their own mess. The latest Wigan RLFC accounts ……….. https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/comp ... ng-history ……… show that they lost over £400k for the year and are actually insolvent by over £2 million, being propped up by Lenagan Investments Limited whom they owed nearly £6 million as at 30/11/17.'" Stop whining. It's better than last year, isn't it ? They're going in the right direction.

Hope you check every clubs account FD and put it on their Forums

A Total of 55 Votes >S/L 24,Champ+L1,24 Community 7
The Seven Community Votes.
Adult Leagues
Armed Forces RL
Conference Leagues
Schools RL
University & College RL
BARLA
Youth & Junior Leagues

Thank you for the info , looking on the dark side it only takes S L to offer a carrot to the community voters, (coaching, player appearances, kit, ect) for heads to be turned.

Excellent articles what a sorry mess the game is in " Im all right jack" stuff everybody else

Quote ="bentleyman"Hope you check every clubs account FD and put it on their Forums '" There's some right shockers, bentleyman, for example Huddersfield Giants .................... https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/comp ... ng-history ............ lost over £1 million at the last count and were insolvent to the tune of over £13 million, owing a "related party" (presumably Ken Davy) over £14 million. These so called "sugar daddies" aren't giving their money away, they're lending it (even though one could argue they're unlikely to get it back). The 2 SL clubs I've picked out are heavily in debt and want EVEN MORE money to squander, Very scarey.

Quote ="bentleyman"Hope you check every clubs account FD and put it on their Forums '" There's some right shockers, bentleyman, for example Huddersfield Giants .................... https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/comp ... ng-history ............ lost over £1 million at the last count and were insolvent to the tune of over £13 million, owing a "related party" (presumably Ken Davy) over £14 million. These so called "sugar daddies" aren't giving their money away, they're lending it (even though one could argue they're unlikely to get it back). The 2 SL clubs I've picked out are heavily in debt and want EVEN MORE money to squander, Very scarey.

There's nothing wrong with doing that. It's public information.

And they think that is a threat?

I've been saying for ages that the Championship & Championship 1 clubs should unanimously reject DR. It is universally hated and Fax only use it because the rest do.

Stopping DR would hurt the SL clubs most as without their arrogant use of "feeder" clubs they would be forced to reinstate Reserve Teams which they would be obliged to have anyway if Rimmer had any balls!

Don't think anyone will disagree with you FM.If a S/L Club has threatened a C1 Club they should be named & shamed disgraceful bully boy tactics

Yep, the "threats" now confirmed in greater detail by the Faxlore post and links.

I sincerely hope this backfires across the sport as the ones being threaten and everyone with anything to do with the game now have no doubt as to the nature of their SL partner / clubs and once you give in to this like any sort of blackmail in only leads to bigger demands and then a nasty ending.

As Bentleyman says these people should be publicly named and shamed, they are a disgrace to their clubs and the game.

In the same Sky program it was also mentioned that Mr Rimmer was keen to point out that he had not just rolled over but had tried to stand up for the Champ and Champ 1 clubs and the wider game.

I heard the club is Warrington Mick. Also hearing SL have got their proposal through. Beyond belief!

Apparently by as much as 2/3 rds of the vote, 35 - 18 in favour?

I cant speke !! Stunned

Ian Lenagan quoted ' Its a vote for Super league and Rugby League.' !

I can usually get my mind round most things and rarely completely dumbfounded but not this time.

What are we missing, how can anyone outside SL vote for something like this.

Someone please explain.

Has there been some sweetener to lower league clubs ? there has to some benefit for the lower league clubs or they wouldn't have voted for it. I'd like to know which clubs voted against.

Bullied in to believing they may get some scraps from the new TV deal. Fools.

So would i