No, please explain why not Fev.

Er starting with Sky wanting a London team well on the evidence of interest by the size of the crowds London have always got then why? How can a sport where the population have no interest be a 'seller' for a TV station? That argument is flawed.
As for money being pumped in well nobody can prove this as we don't get to see where clubs money comes from do we, do you???
Lets be honest if Richard Branson can't make it work then nobody can he pulled out and that tells us a lot!
As for relegation yer London aint finished last (nearly have though) but if they had they were protected from relegation by this obsession with a SL club in London so not a relevant argument that one.
As for players well I agree that it is harder to get players to move down south BUT the overseas player allowances were too high making it counter productive as the idea was to get local lads playing not a boat load of Aussies!
London still has a pro semi team in the Skolars and hopefully a phoenix Broncos in the same league which with good housekeeping could rise into the Championship which if they did I would welcome them.
But my resentment is the RFL wanting a London club in SL at any price when there obviously is not the appetite for it, accept the facts.
I say again does Gaelic football care it is only played in Ireland? No and they get decent crowds and own a huge stadium!

Don't ask me about the merits of it, but SKY apparently wanted it. BTW.....it is easier to sell advertising and sponsorship for a "national" comp rather than a Northern sport.


So basically you have no proof of the "extra" payments that are often claimed but never shown? As for knowing where London's cash comes from.....yes, I do. It is information in the public domain.....as of 2011 we owed David Hughes over 7.5 million quid.....but as hard as you search, you'll never, ever find these back door payments to London....

Branson had no idea what he was buying and like those before and after, he subscribed to the RFL version of marketing 101.....STICK POSTS IN THE GROUND AND ANNOUNCE A KO TIME....




First up, close or "nearly" wins you no prizes and secondly, have you any proof that London were protected? I suggest you look in the same place you search for proof of the "extra" payments..






Local lads playing RL or local RL players.....there is a massive difference. LMS to Saints and Now Clubb to Wigan as well as Dixon being courted by Salford and Wigan is a sign it is starting to work.....but the Fed rule crippled London's chances of being competitive...


Check out the Skolars squad list and tell me how many are products of the London SL sides yoof and academy work.....80%+ is the answer. Without a pro-team, the pathway to professional Rugby in London and the SE isn't league...


Your argument is based purely on crowds at the SL club..........London's presence in SL costs the other clubs about 0.005% of their turn over in lost ticket sales.....the away fans smokescreen has been shown to be exactly that, a smokescreen. Home crowds are London's problem and that isn't down to no interest...that is down to marketing and administration....



WTF

Do you think SKY want a northern sport on their books at the current rate they pay? RL got owned by ing Darts last season and SKY were happy to let the RLWC go.....and as for expansion and not caring, I have 2 words for you that show how it should be done.

MELBOURNE STORM.

Deluded my friend, take a look at what you have put and one big fact stands out a Director pumped in £7.5 million now that says it all!
You are contradicting yourself regards players cos if some of the Skolars players are good enough they WILL get picked up by SL clubs and you have proven a couple in your post.
So what you are saying is its everybody else's fault cos there has not been enough marketing to make London Broncos a success, well the fact is all the marketing in the world sadly won't get a city who have more interest in NFL than RL come to watch, it is and always will be a Northern game is that so bad???
We have to wake up to the fact that in over 100 years it has been tried and tried and still expansion of our game has failed so again does it matter if you look at Gaelic football?
Sky have Scottish football and who watches that outside Scotland?

Oh and now you are also throwing in Melbourne Storm but I will throw back at you Perth!

First up....how are the links to the "extra" payments and "protection from relegation" coming along?



The Skolars are competitive now...they weren't as little as 5 years ago when they were winning 1 game a season. The reason for this? That's right...the development work done by the London SL side.
As for who's fault it is...I say it is 50/50 blame between incompetent management and ownership at the club and the RFL and other SL clubs......as for marketing, if we did any I'd be better placed to judge on potential interest, but when the RFL marketed the WCC warm up game, we got 7,500+ to see Manly...when we did 2-4-1 beers v Leeds we got 6,500. The debate is who should pay for the team and market it when the only real beneficiaries are the game itself?

If most people had your attitude of "we tried, it didn't work, let's forget it" we'd all be speaking German now.

Don't forget now...links to the "extra payments" and "protection from relegation"....there's a good chap



Oh...Perth. Perth will be in the NRL within 10 years and will average between 12k and 16k....the southern states aren't interested, but Perth, Brisbane ii, Central coasts and NZ II will all be part of the comp within 15 years....with proper expansion.

Melbourne were on extra cash for 18 years and the other NRL clubs didn't whine, but you northern monkeys cry like babies because "you think" London get extra cash but you can't prove it...

Good to see some healthy debate over what is clearly an emotive subject regarding the merits of London staying in SL.
It's ironic that previous criteria that kept Fax out SL at franchise time like stadium suitability;community rugby development;reaching required minimum average crowds; being financially solvent, seem to have been overlooked for a number of SL clubs by the same custodians of the game who set the rules in the first place! (and yes currently the latest example looks to be London)
The bigger picture for me is this current farce of having a current SL club with 6 registered players a few weeks ago, being unable to raise a team to play a local annual derby v London Solars, have no ground to play from at the time of writing and are now applying for administration. That is hardly the actions of an elite club!Owing £7.5m to one man is hardly a sound business plan and is simply not sustainable if he removed his funding.
Whichever way you cut it, London and a few others in SL are simply not ticking the current boxes.
So as the revolution starts to take place we need to decide if this current expansion policy, with no main commercial sponsor for the game is the right one, or if we need to take a different direction to ringfence what is left of the game.
Over you you SL clubs and RFL............... you have the future of this great game in your hands!!!!!
What could possibly go wrong?

even the aussies saw this coming www.leaguefreak.com/what-shall-w ... ncos-6201/

even the aussies saw this coming www.leaguefreak.com/what-shall-w ... ncos-6201/

Quote ="seanfax"even the aussies saw this coming www.leaguefreak.com/what-shall-w ... ncos-6201/'" My word the truth hurts.

Quote ="seanfax"even the aussies saw this coming www.leaguefreak.com/what-shall-w ... ncos-6201/'" My word the truth hurts.

I agree with everything in your post.....but as with all blame games and like in a sewer, it flows from the top and settles at the bottom.

Quote ="seanfax"even the aussies saw this coming www.leaguefreak.com/what-shall-w ... ncos-6201/'" What a good, but damning, read. How very true it all is. I hope Red Hall sit up and take note.

Quote ="seanfax"even the aussies saw this coming www.leaguefreak.com/what-shall-w ... ncos-6201/'" What a good, but damning, read. How very true it all is. I hope Red Hall sit up and take note.

What the hell has the war got to do with this debate you are also bringing in the game in Australia to justify you argument also did I say that there WAS extra payments? I said we don't know what clubs get from who as money can be hidden under any name as an income its easy to do and not just London do it!
You will not agree will you if I say its black you will say its white, if I say its day you will say its night.
The thing is despite several rich businessmen putting their money into London Broncos, trying to get established at different parts of the city, different names to appeal to new fans and extra 'help' from the RFL by allowing more Aussie players and come on you and I both know that London would never have been allowed to be relegated be honest your club has gone bust, end of story!
I suppose its our fault as well is it???

I read the League Freak article back in July when it was first posted.

London aren't alone in not been a feasible sports business. Many other SL clubs are a way off. If Koukash walked at Salford, Ken Davy left Huddersfield, or even Moran pulling the plug at Warrington they'd all be in trouble.

Part quote from the link.

"The Rugby Football League has tipped a lot of money into the London Broncos over the years.
Millions of pounds.
They handed this club advantages other clubs did not receive."
"The Rugby Football League invested the sports money into this club and now it's all gone."
end.

Proof enough?

All clubs were protected from relegation as under the license system it didn't exist so no link needed for that.

Thank you for the insults.

I find the reference to "monkeys" when allied to sport particulary distasteful.

Hey my last say on this I would like RL to expand across Britain but it won't its been tried and tried and failed so like I say lets just concentrate on its strengths which should be in its heartlands but the tinkermen at the top and greedy selfish club chairmen have ruined our game.

so no links or proof then? hardly proof.




so you don't know why the term "northern Monkey" exists or where it comes from....

Is it similar to the term "cockney wan"er"?

Some people after giving the big lecture type posts just can't accept the facts, nothing will ever be proof for them, but it won't change what happened and what is happening now.

"NM's"

Of course but if you took time to read my post instead of rushing to laugh at others and gain the self satisfaction from your own perceived smartness whilst implying others are thick you may see the irony.

The point was, insults, reference to monkeys on a publis sports forum "hardly" fits in with the theme of the topic and will lend no support to the London Broncos or RL in general.

Do you normally talk to others in public like that all the time?

What is happening to the LB club is "hardly" funny in any context.

So no links or proof then?

I had dinner with Nigel Wood last night. He told me that the RFL had transferred over £4m to London Broncos over a six year period. I taped the conversation without his knowledge. I'll DM you for your email address so I can send you the audio file.

According to Nigel he had you for dinner Rich.

You may have had dinner with him Rich, bet you didn`t get chance to eat anyof it though before your plate was emptied!