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| Quote ="Greg Florimos Boots"Maybe you would care to explain........
I get we likely owe rent, I also get where that amount comes from, thats not rocket science and has been widely reported.
The money we owe in the accounts is directors loans from what can be made out. That will not be unusual for any sporting club I would think. By the looks of it we traded at a small profit as well last year which is obviously a break from the norm for the majority of RL clubs.
If there is something Im missing please explain though because the demise of Halifax RLFC is probably not happening anytime soon with the people that are currently involved. Sorry to burst your bubble though.'"
Well there is something missing here and that is the amount some Town fans and Councilors seem to think the Shay is worth,the price goes up daily and they feel the Shay is being sold off too cheap and Councilors want back the £5 million they reckon they have put into the place since taking it back from the SST..Well I`m no commerce whizz kid but I can see this.. If I bought a building and decided to put a few million into it ,it would only be worth the same or a little more as the same looking building next door .Your house is not worth whatever you have put into it it`s worth what someones prepared to pay for it surely ?
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| It is worth more than the debt-ridden Rugby Club can afford. If the Rugby Club think they can get around that by trying to purchase it through a company registered in one of the directors names they will find themselves legally challenged.
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| Quote ="Realist Shay"It is worth more than the debt-ridden Rugby Club can afford. If the Rugby Club think they can get around that by trying to purchase it through a company registered in one of the directors names they will find themselves legally challenged.'"
The legal challenge should be quite entertaining.
I have heard about the friendly Rugby game arranged against the police force as part of the opening event when Reactiv takes over as well, get yourself down it should be good.
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| What a massive bellend. Sorry to revert to type but this is a typical Town fan. He's gonna blow a gasket when the Council sell the Shay.
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| Who's making the legal challenge? These matters aren't cheap, so who's putting the money up for it?
Likewise, who's going to be making the demands than councillors resign, I asked something similar on the locked thread but don't think I got an answer?
If this is as bigger deal as some people make out, the courier will have to draft in extra reporters to keep up!
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| Quote ="Realist Shay"It is worth more than the debt-ridden Rugby Club can afford. If the Rugby Club think they can get around that by trying to purchase it through a company registered in one of the directors names they will find themselves legally challenged.'"
Er for the hundredth time it is NOT Halifax RLFC who are looking at buying the Shay it is Reactiv Group who are looking to develop the east Stand corner for offices and around 100 jobs but don't let that bother you, you keep your anti HRLFC specs on.
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| He can't. He's obsessed. It's embarrassing.
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| Why do you all respond to him?
Ignore him, littlerich gave the best repost yet.
Personally I couldn't give a flying whether we owe rent or not.
With the board behind us we have a very good future, lighten up Faxfans.
Can any sports club in the world say they don't owe money?
Check out Barcelona FC's debt.
Don't forget the poor woman who walked into the mighty Halifax with a ten pound note in each ear, the cashier called the manager and said, "there's a woman at my till who says she's £20 in arrears and that's all she can pay"
Old and not funny? just like the Town fans claptrap.
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| Tony Abbott just tweeted - everything is in hand. Cool your boots footy fans.
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| The Reactiv Stadium.
Has a nice ring to it.
Home of real Sport, Home of Rugby League.
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| It does have a nice ring to it, but I'd genuinely prefer to refer to it as the home of sport in Halifax.
I used to follow both teams in the past, but getting hitched and having kids meant I had to make a choice. I chose Fax, but I still follow the results of our local footie team (who have done incredibly well over the last few years) and wish them well.
The animosity (and large chunks of misinformation and conjecture) is, to be honest, really childish and immature.
Good luck to both clubs. In the end, this is "just" a game that's played by talented players on a (manicured) field.
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| Quote ="Fax Machine"But, whether you care to admit it or not, any comments on here aimed at FCHT are in retaliation to the continuous bile aimed at Halifax RLFC. There is never a time, even prior to the Shay purchase business, when there aren't several strings on their forum about the rugby club. They are uobsessed with us whereas FCHT is a matter of supreme indifference to most Fax fans. The last time I remember there being a thread on here about FCHT was last year when we were wishing them good luck in their quest for promotion.'"
Very well said.
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| Quote ="Hudd-Shay"Very well said.'"
I agree Hudd -Shay
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| I still fail to understand as to why its become a hate campaign from the Football club's followers (not the club themselves, they've been relatively quiet, at least in the press) against the Rugby Club.
If the directors of FCHT were in a position to buy The Shay from the council, I doubt many Rugby Fans would begrudge the football buying the place back. But its been a council owned property for a generation. Its not the football clubs to sell and as tenants they have little say in the matter.
One of the reason's been given against Tony Abbott buying The Shay through Reactiv Media is that if Reactiv was to go under, The Shay could be sold to the highest bidder. Has everyone forgotten that when Abbott brought his shares in Fax he did so through the same company? No one was worried about that?
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| Quote ="Brew"I still fail to understand as to why its become a hate campaign from the Football club's followers (not the club themselves, they've been relatively quiet, at least in the press) against the Rugby Club.
If the directors of FCHT were in a position to buy The Shay from the council, I doubt many Rugby Fans would begrudge the football buying the place back. But its been a council owned property for a generation. Its not the football clubs to sell and as tenants they have little say in the matter.
One of the reason's been given against Tony Abbott buying The Shay through Reactiv Media is that if Reactiv was to go under, The Shay could be sold to the highest bidder. Has everyone forgotten that when Abbott brought his shares in Fax he did so through the same company? No one was worried about that?'"
The thing that worries me, Brew, is the direction in which FCHT fans are going. They keep stressing that Reactiv are trying to buy the Shay on the cheap. What they don't seem to realise is that the Shay has 2 values:
1. As a stadium with a stipulation that it can only be used for sport.
2. As a piece of land with no restrictions.
The latter obviously carries a far higher value and, if the council are determined to unload it I would much rather they sold it to Reactiv under option 1 but the FCHT fans, in their hatred of all things Fax, will end up with option 2 and then both clubs will be stuffed.
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| Quote ="Brew"I still fail to understand as to why its become a hate campaign from the Football club's followers (not the club themselves, they've been relatively quiet, at least in the press) against the Rugby Club.
If the directors of FCHT were in a position to buy The Shay from the council, I doubt many Rugby Fans would begrudge the football buying the place back. But its been a council owned property for a generation. Its not the football clubs to sell and as tenants they have little say in the matter.
One of the reason's been given against Tony Abbott buying The Shay through Reactiv Media is that if Reactiv was to go under, The Shay could be sold to the highest bidder. Has everyone forgotten that when Abbott brought his shares in Fax he did so through the same company? No one was worried about that?'"
The resentment has been around from when Fax first moved to the Shay from Thrum Hall.
It's their ground and no one else should be allowed anywhere near it.
The Fact that allthough they try and belittle everything that Fax do the RL club is seen as a threat achievement wise or the bigger of the two clubs and they have little man syndrome.
The Town fans on the one hand claim it is a community assett but don't want anyone outside their community involved in it, as long as the tax payer picks up the tab, no problem.
In that sense anyone involved in the Shay is in debt to the other tax paying public of Halifax every year and you don't have to apply the freedom of information act to find that out.
They go on about the alledged debt of The rugby club but if Fax were not at the Shay the £200.000 grand that has been mentioned that it costs to keep it open would still apply and the shortfall would be even greater because it would only be less what FC Town pay in rent with the rest payed for by the tax payer that they don't want in the ground unless you follow football.
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| Quote ="Fax Machine"The thing that worries me, Brew, is the direction in which FCHT fans are going. They keep stressing that Reactiv are trying to buy the Shay on the cheap. What they don't seem to realise is that the Shay has 2 values:
1. As a stadium with a stipulation that it can only be used for sport.
2. As a piece of land with no restrictions.
The latter obviously carries a far higher value and, if the council are determined to unload it I would much rather they sold it to Reactiv under option 1 but the FCHT fans, in their hatred of all things Fax, will end up with option 2 and then both clubs will be stuffed.'"
Shay fans have seen it all before and have plenty of bad experiences with 'businessmen' so are right to be cautious with this episode. Little was known of Abbott until the company check, it isn't good reading. The fact that your accounts don't look too good and you owe rent of £52,000 doesn't help your cause.
Even if Abbott is the knight in shining armour you think he is what happens when he dies or gets fed up, will his heirs be charitable towards to sporting fraternity?
Clauses and covenants in any deal are worthless, Thrum Hall had those........................it is now a supermarket.
Did not Mr Steele, just two years ago, vote to get FC Halifax off the Stadium trust?
Sorry, Shay fans cannot trust him or your club.
The only real option is shared ownership like The John Smiths Stadium, Huddersfield.
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| Seriously RS who would you want to share it with because the approach and attitude from the Town fans is always aggressive, derogatory, critcal etc of anything and everything to do with the Rugby club.
Many on here wish only the best for Town, some even support both clubs and have said over and over again both clubs need to work together but every time we get it rammed back in our faces and even the sensible concerns get lost in the crap.
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| Quote ="Realist Shay"Shay fans have seen it all before and have plenty of bad experiences with 'businessmen' so are right to be cautious with this episode. Little was known of Abbott until the company check, it isn't good reading. The fact that your accounts don't look too good and you owe rent of £52,000 doesn't help your cause.
Even if Abbott is the knight in shining armour you think he is what happens when he dies or gets fed up, will his heirs be charitable towards to sporting fraternity?
Clauses and covenants in any deal are worthless, Thrum Hall had those........................it is now a supermarket.
Did not Mr Steele, just two years ago, vote to get FC Halifax off the Stadium trust?
Sorry, Shay fans cannot trust him or your club.
The only real option is shared ownership like The John Smiths Stadium, Huddersfield.'"
OK, then. So option 1 carries a possible risk at some future date whereas option 2 is instant finito. No brainer really so should suit FCHT fans admirably.
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| Quote ="Realist Shay"Shay fans have seen it all before and have plenty of bad experiences with 'businessmen' so are right to be cautious with this episode. Little was known of Abbott until the company check, it isn't good reading. The fact that your accounts don't look too good and you owe rent of £52,000 doesn't help your cause.
Even if Abbott is the knight in shining armour you think he is what happens when he dies or gets fed up, will his heirs be charitable towards to sporting fraternity?
Clauses and covenants in any deal are worthless, Thrum Hall had those........................it is now a supermarket.
Did not Mr Steele, just two years ago, vote to get FC Halifax off the Stadium trust?
Sorry, Shay fans cannot trust him or your club.
The only real option is shared ownership like The John Smiths Stadium, Huddersfield.'"
What you on about regards the Stadium Trust, Michael Steele was very pro SST and if it had a) some money and b) been run by the right people not the ones who ran it very badly and would not listen to anybody else and had the wrong person in Geoff Butler as Chief Executive (also a big Town fan funnily enough) it might have worked but remember it went bust. Why? Bad management and not enough income, now the East Stand is complete a Stadium Company would have a better chance of making it work but ONLY if money was invested in more facilities to create income streams which is what Reactiv are planning.
NO way do I want to see EITHER club involved in running the Shay, it will only work as a private company or a 'not for profit' Community Interest Company with guarantees to ensure it remains for sport (which I have to ask why would it not now it has 3 decent stands?) for both clubs play there and that if it does not work out it is handed back to the Council.
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| Now the gloating by Town fans is nearly over and the dust has settled, some of them are finally realizing that their `revelations` about Fax will not strengthen the views that the Shay shouldnt be sold, it actually weaken them in the eyes of the people that matter.
Not only will it not slow down the sale of the Shay it will probably quicken it and Town fans can take some credit for that.
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| Quote ="Greg Florimos Boots"Now the gloating by Town fans is nearly over and the dust has settled, some of them are finally realizing that their `revelations` about Fax will not strengthen the views that the Shay shouldnt be sold, it actually weaken them in the eyes of the people that matter.
Not only will it not slow down the sale of the Shay it will probably quicken it and Town fans can take some credit for that.'"
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| Quote ="Greg Florimos Boots"'"
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| Quote ="Realist Shay"Thanks for the picture of your average Rugby Fan. ,it is a shame really, a crying shame because The Shay, like Thrum Hall could become a memory.'"
I'd forgotten about that.
At least we are in the picture and holding the camera and your not.
Keep em coming.
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