Featherstone are top because they have secured three bonus points from losing to Swinton, York and Doncaster - three teams that they should be beating comfortably.

Batley are two wins behind us but have lost five more games than us!

Sorry, that just doesn't tick the fairness box for me.

Surely it's down to us for loseing by more than 12 points, instead of playing to the end of full time, rather than us gifting the opposition the bonus point?

We've only lost three games so even if we had got bonus points in all three, Batley would only be three wins behind us.

It's a futile argument as you have to work with the system as it stands but how can it be right for any team to be ranked lower than a team that has a worse win/loss/draw record than it does?

my idea of the bonus point coming off the winners three points leaving them with two would keep both teams playing until the final second.

Exactly. You can't argue with that. Fax could have put the effort in and lost by less than 13. Like Batley have done.

Same points for a narrow win as for a draw, then.

Controversial.

I've said that from the off. If a team can't be bothered to play to the end of the 80, they deserve to lose one of there winning points.

It's still used in CC1.

Well I for one dislike it!

I could just about understand it if it was a reward for entertaing play, for example you get a point for scoring 5 trys in a game.

Griff would have you believe it makes no difference, but if you look at the current table, I'd be a bit miffed if I was a Sheffield fan and we lost out on top Spot to Fev because Fev got 4 bonus points and Sheffield 1 BP. And the bottom of the table even worse how about being a Swinton fan and finding yourself relegated having won more games than Barrow? And at what cost over the next few years!

A system that means that can mean get more points for 4 losses (4 BP) than a win and 3 losses (0 BP) just does not feel right.

That backs up my point, if you lose then you lose and get Nil Points as they say in Eurovision land.
I have no grumbles with that we lost to Fev twice and Sheffield and got nowt as we failed, end of story.
As for your statement playing for the full 80 minutes yer but we had already lost all those 3 games at around the 50th minute point so that is irrelevant it aint like we were losing in a close game we just didn't play well in most of the game full stop!
Like I said if its so good SL and RU would have adopted it, you may note RU rewards scoring more tries and cricket rewards scoring more runs and getting more wickets, not for holding out for a close defeat!

ok, 4 points for a win instead of the 3. then same as said before.

I like the bonus point BUT it should be within a coverted try, nothing more !

Not really - we got 17 extra points for winning 17 games, compared with the 2-1-0 system. We're never going to get 4 bonus points from losing two games, are we ?

Who's contributed more to the entertainment value of their games this year ? Swinton - or Barrow and Hunslet ?

Who gives a Sh!t about entertainment value when it comes to the league table. It should reflect the result and nothing else. 3 win 2 Draw 0 Lose.

Dont get me wrong entertaining teams should be comended and reports and game write ups should reflect that, as should the championship player of the week etc, but thats where it stops.

We're in the entertainment business. If the game's doesn't entertain, we're dead in the water.

3-2-0 - that's a new proposal.

Quote ="Fax4Life"Er presumptious aren't we I think the drop goal is well worth having, it won us the Challenge Cup in 1987 for goodness sake and for me it is pshycological as well it just puts that gap in the scores. As for the bonus point well you said it, its part of the Championship - but not SL or Championship 1 you may have noticed so why do we have it??? As for Hunslet they have 22 points yet have only won 4 games, how ridiculous.'" You may feel the need to apologise. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-league ... -one/table

Quote ="Fax4Life"Er presumptious aren't we I think the drop goal is well worth having, it won us the Challenge Cup in 1987 for goodness sake and for me it is pshycological as well it just puts that gap in the scores. As for the bonus point well you said it, its part of the Championship - but not SL or Championship 1 you may have noticed so why do we have it??? As for Hunslet they have 22 points yet have only won 4 games, how ridiculous.'" You may feel the need to apologise. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-league ... -one/table

Griff,

So I'll ask again does the 3-2-1-0 system make a difference compared to the previous 2-1-0 system?

And if it does is it fair to the Swinton fans that they find themselves in a relegation place having won more games than Barrow?

And while we're asking questions, yes we are in the entertainment business - so what is the entertainment in:
- Taking a penalty with 5 minutes to go so that you get within 12 points in a losing game?
- Or playing 5 drives followed by a deep kick to stop, so called better teams, having the chance to score against you and therefore trying to stay within the 12 point margin?

In my opinion it is these sort of tactics that the current bonus system encourages, it does not encourage flowing open running rugby which I think is entertaining.

Dave

It's dangerous to pick out an isolated example and base your policy around it. You'll inevitably come out with the wrong answer.

I see folk focus on losers getting a point without acknowledging that winners and drawers also get one. 3-2-1-0 gives an extra point to everyone EXCEPT those who lose by more than 12. As a principle, what exactly is wrong with that ? Why do you want to favour teams who don't contribute to the game?

Sure - there are loads of ways you COULD decide a champion. The first league (cricket county championship) was decided on who lost least games. Fancy that method ? You could make a case for points difference (every minute counts) or just points scored (entertainment value) - the possibilities are endless. The fact is that 2-1-0 is what we've been brought up on and folk don't like change.

Meanwhile, other changes in the game get ignored. Easy to say, "we'd have won the league if it hadn't been for bonus points" but you never hear anyone say "we'd have won the league if there'd been no 40/20 rule." Bit more difficult to prove, that one - though it may well be true. Fact is - the results are just based on what the rules are at the time.

Anyway - I'm fed up of this now. I'm not fussed either way.

Under the previous Halifax coach we might have been involved in a result ie: 46-40 ( either way around ) which wouldn't have shocked anyone at all, but both coaches would have been happy with taking a point for scoring 40 points, equally pee'd off at conceding 46, sore at actually losing after scoring 40 points & all those type of comments that coaches trot out in the aftermatch of a points fest, entertaining game of RL. The players would have known what to expect in the following few training sessions after conceding 46 points more than likely, unless they're thick !
I know which rugby I would like to watch, and I thought summer rugby was intended ( or partly ) to improve the quality of product on the field compared to the winter style brand.
I haven't attended very many games at all this season for various reasons, as always, I enjoy our RL discussions and even better over a few sherbets ! I'm not prepared to go into detail on an internet forum though, still think we can win the GF ( well, you have to don't you ? ) but I'm actually busting a bubble to get my backside down to Elland road for tomorrow's opening league fixture Leeds Utd v Brighton & H.A. almost 31,000 tickets had been sold at close of office hours on thursday, now that is exciting, the old place will be bouncing. That's entertainment in my life, can't wait.
My two favourite sporting teams, once great, out of the top division for a decade or so &s still re-building, life can be tough, but things could be a whole lot worse !

Rich,

Thanks for [i[uNOT[/u[/i answering my questions, you ever thought about being a politician?

Still fancy that beer sometime?

Hi MM,

Not been to see Leeds for a long time now, promised myself that I would not go down to contribute to Ken Bates wallet (cutting nose of to spite my face), but will have a look at a few games now he has gone. Enjoy the game tomorrow.

Back on topic; football (like Rugby Union and cricket) is good case in point, by giving you a bonus point for going for the win, i.e. a 3-1-0 points system, rather than sitting back and not risking losing the point for the draw.

OK - if you insist ....

Yes - it can do, though it didn't affect any placing last year. I think it's a positive, you think it's a negative.



Tough - those are the rules, announced well beforehand. They got beat heavily much too often. Maybe if they'd used less DR players ..... who knows ?



That's just your subjective view. It's not supported by facts.

I'll be moving on now .............

A very popular song amongst the almost 34,000 ( !!!!! ) attendance today was:
He's out of our club,
He's out of our club,
that Chelsea b*****
is out of our club......


so, mr Fevgrinder, if the Fax v Fev game doesn't happen again in 2013 we'll have to have the beers in capital centro Leeds, before & after a Leeds Utd v. who-ever match.

You on ?


Footnote: Our mutual Fev buddies Robin & Mr. Ashton received rather gloating texts from myself regarding their shi££y football team & it's home loss this teatime

That brought a smile to my face







Yes I'm up for meeting up at a Leeds game at some point, whether we meet in the play-offs or not.

Thought you'd already done with this previously.....

FWIW - it made the difference to one place last year (oldham finished higer that Skolars) though you could argue that this was not a material change other than the play-off placings (difference of playing away to Rochdale or Whitehaven, now that could have been significat to Oldham).

Agree the rules around the points system have been made before the season and that's what we are all playing to, whether you like it or not.

Quote "[iThat's just your subjective view. It's not supported by facts.[/i" I have seen it happen through the last few seasons, but then again I supose you have to open your eyes.....