are ya just shaking it all about at the minute ,pmsl

I guess i should come back in here as i was the one that started this thread.

Yes we know that the club maybe doing what is best for the club in the end and Stan may challenge it. my point is though.

Just because they are doing it for the good of the club doesn't mean the reputation of club is going to be any less affected and after the challenge cup incident we needed to stay out of the spotlight for the rest of the season, that does not mean i am saying we should have just kept a player we couldnt afford just to protect the image of the club, maybe there was a better way to go about things, it tells me that what ever the problem was it was serious because it could'nt wait till the end of the season, we had him not too long but we only actually let him go 5 or 6 weeks from the end f the season, surely if the club could they would have found a way to get to the end of the season and not agree to the 2nd year.

now the reputation of the club has been effected this season with a couple of inncidents, as for the Franchise, Widnes will be selected FACT, the RFL will be looking for reasons why Halifax and Leigh should'nt get it, for me Halifax have given the RFL all the fire power they needed to deny us, now you might think that these points dont have much to do with it. it gives the RFL the impression that.

A. the club didnt check to see whether the player was cup tied, the player didnt mention it either,

b. the club isnt very organised and cant control the finances, IF indeed money was a small issue, not the main issue.

They would need to be widely out-stretched arms to embrace you three lovers

Widnes will be selected FACT

Where does it say this then, FACT is, its what we all think and believe in our hearts is going to happen, However we dont know this, Just hope and prey we get looked at properly.

they will look at us, they have to when we put a bid in but most on here know its Widnes's turn,

If an inability to control finances was a significant factor then the likes of Hull KR and Crusaders would be as good as relegated.

Some of the other clubs may not stand up to detailed scrutiny in this area either.

I don't doubt the sincerity and good intentions of those that have run the club past or present. Sadly that sincerity and those good intentions have not prevented some major howlers. In this instance, however, I would expect Messrs Steele and Bonfield to have ticked all the boxes so we should win the case but it doesn't stop Stanley Gene having a go.

What a horrid little insight this thread has become...


Defensive or what!?
Who selects and employs the people on the payroll. Who prepares and proposes, who manages projects, where does the vision become a plan.
Its not the fans last time i checked, but they are an integral part. The Club can have no hard luck or best intentions about it. It goes with the territory.
Good luck tonight, looking forward to it.

York are attempting to sign Stanley Gene for the rest of the season

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hard to fall out with agents as it all comes down to money in my opinion. offer a player more n the bigger cut for them. as in football, the place would be a lot better without them.

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Oh well, we'll just have to move on, again. These things happen in life, we only have ourselves to blame.
The PR is not good for the club, regardless of whether people are doing their best behind the scenes or not.
We're not ready for Super League, this is pretty clear, but then again i dont think a lot of the SL Clubs are doing anything other than treading water, so we haven't really pushed on as we could have.
I cant help but feel that Widnes taking a step back have really stolen a march on the competition, I applaud them for this, our decision to go down the route we have and subsequent problems that have developed, unfortunately lay at our door and our door alone. Focusing on younger players and being realistic about our ambitions are long over due, signing people at the end of their careers was a bad move, but its done now. The best thing we can do now is win this dam comp and start to rebuild the infrastructure and squad from a firm base with youth, sustainability and greatly improved PR the focus for our growth. We need to become a friendly, family and community club asap..
Theres plenty of talent in this town, thats the only fact we need to remember going forward.

If Widnes get a franchise next time around in my opinion it will be as big a disgrace as Celtic last time. Out of all the Championship clubs there is only one category where they are the clear leaders; attendances and even then they operate at less than 40% capacity of the ground.

Their finances are one of the worst in the league, their turnover massive but their profit small. They have gone bust in the last three years and the only reason they exist is due to a money man.
They are sandwiched in-between two of the top teams in SL at the moment.
Their only achievement was the NL Cup Final and they were carried by the loan players they had.
Their supposed strong youth system is producing players that are getting beat almost every week in the Championship. Second rate Saints and Wigan players are keeping the majority of them out of the squad. If they did get into SL I am sure they would buy a team but how would that be any different to Celtic or Catalans?

I know we also suffer from all these issues but nobody is calling us dead certs for a franchise!

Couldn't agree more with every single bloody point you've made... Sometimes reading the crap spouted on this site by some of our own so-called "Supporters" could drive me nuts.

Back your team fellas. Don't say your backing the team and do your best to find fault with every single thing you can.

Oh and Sack Matt Calland



Wouldn't be a thread unless someone came up with it...

Your a waste of oxygen.

A poor way to treat Stanley, I hope he wins the case

Depends on what the facts are, unless you know more which I doubt

Please, if i may take that post apart and show you up for the idiot you are clearly trying to be.

Where do we start, hmmm.

Lets compare the two set ups shall we.

Stadiums. The shay: Nice new stand, One crappy stand, 2 average end stands.
The Stobart Stadium: All seater Stadium, used for internationals, Semi finals, And will be hosting SL next season.
Wow, you got us there.

Crowds: do i need bother, we are having a terrible season yet our crowds have not yet plummeted to the depths you are peaking at. Well done.

Finances, Fax: Reputed to be struggling and scraping by on poor crowds, No cup runs and just basic income. Nooooooo

Widnes: Multi millionaire owner, Best crowds in the division with probably the biggest shirt sponsor in the division. 2 Final appearances and decent showings in the C Cup. Running a successful merchandise shop in the town . Approaching if not exceeding £1M turnover.

Damn got us again.

Youth. Fax: gotta admit when Stanley made his breakthrough for you i thought Wow, he's a big kid he will make an impact when he's not much older. Unlucky for you he found out you didn't run a proper academy set up and had no one his age to play with at the club. Its only right he leaves for pastures new.

Widnes: I admit we are struggling here, Only running teams in every age group and ranking above most SL clubs at all levels including being the current leaders of the 18's league i can see how we fail to impress you.

On the pitch, Fax: Wow, your great. All that silverware you have won over the last 3 years is enough to make anyone jealous. I mean there was the thingy win, oh and that famous night somewhere... And not forgetting the magic day at the nines!. Wow how can we compare.

Widnes: I have to admit here we are not worthy, only 2 cup finals appearances with one victory to our name. We should be ashamed, of the 3 finals we could have appeared in ( not including the CC final ) we have only managed to get to two of them. We are junk.

Then lets look at the general way our clubs are run. Widnes are a benchmark club that works exceptionally hard in the community. We run academies at all levels and all our players are taught about what to expect from life outside of Rugby league. We have a steady board and backroom staff with a chief exec and a rich chairman who loves us. We play by the rules and have not been expelled from any competitions this year, yes sir, not kicked out at all.

Fax: Lets see, we have players launching claims against the club, competition expulsions, no youth set up and a real lack of success on the park. Honestly?

I mean it can get tiresome defending Widnes on here for, in essence, doing everything the RFL expects clubs to do. We are bound to be running a small profit margin if any in this division, we're running how many full teams compared to everyone else in this division? if Fax were running so many academy teams it would destroy you with your current crowds. Im sure people post this crap without engaging their brains.

Name me one other club that has a national TV program Run by them for them? We have Boot's N Widnes every Wednesday on sky sport's.

So lets try this from another point, someone care to point me to a Current Championship club that can compete with what Widnes offer and are doing right now? Anyone?

Any of the six teams above them in the table? Admiittedly, it is a minor area of the sport - League Tables. Ah, remember those?

Thats the key issue at Widnes... There crap. Really really crap..

Buggering up the bonus point penalty could come back and bite you right in the ass and if you miss the playoffs altogether do you really think the RFL will give you another shot at Superleague?

I would gladly return to the days of P&R. The league was far more exciting and the sport was richer for it. But you can only aim for the targets the RFL set out for you, and all this Widnes bashing for doing just that is Daft.

If Widnes And Warrington were competing head to head on current standards i wouldnt sit here claiming we were stronger as a club. thats just daft, but so is the post i quoted.

I supported P&R when we went up, I supported it when we came down. And i hope for its return.

Fair enough. But do you not think you are giving the RFL all the ammunition they require to shoot down your application finishing so low? If you miss the playoffs I fear you have no chance at all...

We are not finishing all that low, We have had a bad season. Yet we have still reached a cup final and we are not out of the playoff race yet, were missing a scrum half and 2 and then we should be competing for honours.

Leigh are competing for SL ( if they get to the playoff final ) and yet last year they finished third bottom. The RFL are more interested in strong clubs and not strong teams, We can get a new squad in one season, any club that went up would have to.

But i say again i wish for a return to P&R. But as a club we have to aim for the targets set to us by the RFL, just like fax do.

Please read my actual post and dont just respond on emotion. I never said Halifax were in a better place. I was simply calling into question why people seem to think that Widnes have a god given right to get a franchise in the next RFL merry-go-round.

We dont have a god given right, We have a right as the strongest club outside of SL given the things the RFL are looking for. Nobody has a god given right.

You said it would be a Disgrace should Widnes get a franchise, and claimed that we are not ahead of other championship clubs in any area other than Crowds. Which is dead wrong, Widnes should get a Franchise seeing as they are the strongest, Best supported, Most financially sound club playing in some of the best facilities while running a Full and very successful youth set up. Why would it be a Disgrace for us to get a franchise and how on earth would it compare to the Joke that was the south Wales crusaders?

Widnes Didnt make the rules, If we did im sure we would be trying to win the playoffs to gain promotion into SL. Thats what i would want.