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| Martin's gone, and it was his ultimate responsibility, but who should have done the job of checking such as this while he was away? We haven't always had a Director of Football. Surely there are procedures, check lists or manuals to follow on issues such as this?
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| Didn't the RFL saythey would see if any more punishment was needed to be meted out following the conclusion of the Fax internal investigation? Hope we've heard the last of this.
Now, Fax have done their bit (or rather Martin has), who at the RFL is going to fall on their sword as a portion of the blame must go to the numpties at the Red Shed.
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| Quote ="Blue & White Dynamite"who at the RFL is going to fall on their sword as a portion of the blame must go to the numpties at the Red Shed.'"
I think its a very fair comment. The RFL seem to have done a good job of passing all the blame onto Fax when its clear that either a) there are the right systems in place to avoid such a mistake or b) if there is the right systems in place then someone wasnt doing their job correctly.
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| Takes a big man to do what he has done and step down to save his mate. I guess the ramifications of his reignation wont be known till later on down the line.
You have to ask though that you must presume that the club knew he was away in which case like Yob says, whose job was it to do all the paperwork etc.
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| Quote ="Blue & White Dynamite", who at the RFL is going to fall on their sword as a portion of the blame must go to the numpties at the Red Shed.'"
Absolutly nothing as usuall
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| Quote ="-VIKINGMAN-"What will RL viewers do now that the number 1 apple chomper in the world has gone?
Were doomed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!'"
After tonights performance your team is
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| As Rich posted elsewhere, Widnes don't like playing Leigh at the best of times but Leigh are playing out of their skin and Widnes are down to having the cleaning the lady in the pack.
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| Quote ="The Dors" Widnes are down to having the cleaning the lady in the pack.'"
Thats a bit harsh on Jim Gannon
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| To me this is a sad sad turn of events. MH did an awful lot behind the scenes that he rarely got public credit for and his influence in signing some top players seems to have been overlooked by many of his detractors on here. Unless we can replace him with someone equally influential, this could be the most damaging of recent events to the club long term.
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| At least the money we have lost through being out of both cups will be minimised by the savings on Hall's and Clay's salaries.
.... I don't think they received a salary from the club, and indeed put money in when needed. If that's true I can't see how the club can afford replacements.
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| Quote ="Blue & White Dynamite"Didn't the RFL saythey would see if any more punishment was needed to be meted out following the conclusion of the Fax internal investigation? Hope we've heard the last of this.
Now, Fax have done their bit (or rather Martin has), who at the RFL is going to fall on their sword as a portion of the blame must go to the numpties at the Red Shed.'"
Maybe they will wait til Sunday morning and then hit us with something else. That would follow suit.
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| Quote ="Poppa"At least the money we have lost through being out of both cups will be minimised by the savings on Hall's and Clay's salaries.
.... I don't think they received a salary from the club, and indeed put money in when needed. If that's true I can't see how the club can afford replacements.'"
I'm pretty sure Clay did as he was CEO and not, I believe, a board member. I would also be surprised if Hall didn't receive a salary as he was previously coach and it would seem a retrograde step to then be promoted to Football Director and not be paid. Some people have mentioned Hall putting money into the club. Have they any proof of this or have they just made the assumption because he had "Director" in his job description?
I don't believe that Martin Hall was a member of the BOD anyway as it was reported, when Clay and Posner left that it left only 3 full Directors, Michael Steele, Mike Riley and Ian Croad.
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| Quote ="Fax Machine"I'm pretty sure Clay did as he was CEO and not, I believe, a board member. I would also be surprised if Hall didn't receive a salary as he was previously coach and it would seem a retrograde step to then be promoted to Football Director and not be paid. Some people have mentioned Hall putting money into the club. Have they any proof of this or have they just made the assumption because he had "Director" in his job description?
I don't believe that Martin Hall was a member of the BOD anyway as it was reported, when Clay and Posner left that it left only 3 full Directors, Michael Steele, Mike Riley and Ian Croad.'"
Says in courier, that Hall hadn't drawn a wage since last year
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| Quote ="a.n Other"Says in courier, that Hall hadn't drawn a wage since last year'"
Quite rightly too as he was, apparently, never around. It seems that the club's major error was keeping someone on board who was no longer fully commited. I mean, if he found he was having to spend more and more time away it would have been better for all concerned if he had resigned at the end of last season.
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| Quote ="The Dors"Widnes are down to having the cleaning the lady in the pack.'"
And then they still tried to take us on down the middle, Cullen is a coaching genius
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| Not been the greatest of years...
Sad to see MH leave after everything he's done, all the best in the future to him.
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| Can't believe nobody can see whats happened here. Hall is loaded anyway so won't miss the wage he was pulling for doing knack all (and yes he was getting paid). He's taken full blame for something he knew nothing about as he wasn't here, just so his drinking buddy can keep his job.
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| Quote ="R. Sole"Can't believe nobody can see whats happened here. Hall is loaded anyway so won't miss the wage he was pulling for doing knack all (and yes he was getting paid). He's taken full blame for something he knew nothing about as he wasn't here, just so his drinking buddy can keep his job.'"
Surely as Director of Football he should have known about it and ignorance is not an excuse. So the buck stops with HIM
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| Quote ="R. Sole"Can't believe nobody can see whats happened here. Hall is loaded anyway so won't miss the wage he was pulling for doing knack all (and yes he was getting paid). He's taken full blame for something he knew nothing about as he wasn't here, just so his drinking buddy can keep his job.'"
A forum member for over 4 years and this one is your seventh post. What a great contribution, nice appropriate name you use, by the way.
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| Quote ="Greg Florimos Boots"Takes a big man to do what he has done and step down to save his mate.'"
For one uplifting moment I thought you were talking about Wood and Lewis
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| Quote ="faxfox"For one uplifting moment I thought you were talking about Wood and Lewis
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The only way you could separate those two is by surgery
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| Mixed feelings, whilst like most we want 'blood' for the huge mess up its not nice when we lose somebody who has done some good work for the club and Martin Hall has proved time after time he has the contacts to get good players to Halifax, remember who we had playing for us before he came! thing is he is not around enough to do his job anymore by the sound of it so I guess he would have gone anyway.
Yes Martin Hall is the Football Director and has 'fallen on his sword' but that is only the half of it, what did the statement say again:-
'That investigation has shown that the breakdown in the Club’s procedures arose as a consequence of the absence of the Football Director Martin Hall at material times both relating to the signing and playing of the Player concerned and a failure to ensure that compliance was properly managed in his absence by others'.
So what is happening with them?
Its the coach that picks the team not the football director surely and also Matt Calland must have known Ostick from being from that 'neck of the woods' so how can he let Martin Hall take all the blame, a nice contract with 2 more years to go maybe???
The problem now is that we have no football director and a coach that a large majority of fans no longer have any faith in.
If he does manage to get us to the Grand Final and win it then I will eat my words BUT if we get nowhere near the GF then he must go, thing is can we afford to wait until then???
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| Just let it go Jon, move on, in a nice way of course.
Our club needs us, WE are the lifeblood of the club, let's do the right thing and support the team.
The relevant decisions have been made, it's rugby time again, drama over.
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| Quote ="Fax4Life"
The problem now is that we have no football director and a coach that a large majority of fans no longer have any faith in.
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Rather bold statement there????
Surely you mean a few on here????
I agree with MM, get on with supporting the team.
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