Was'nt at the begining of the season Des had millions on it according to some ,all nonsence of course just like some fax fans obsession with Barrow.

" stark raving mad " to get involved with any professional sport at boardroom level

All chairmen leave eventually and probably 90 % of them are tipping in every year , even yours , if the figures ' posted ' are true then Barrow are very close to being in a stable position

Tony fax posted earlier that Des has ' lent ' the club money , not given it , which will be true , but the same will apply to Leigh , Widnes and all the other clubs including Fax , if Fax have broken even for the second year running , somebody has lent them money to do that , as Tonyfax said , " That is all we need to know " , which is true , but would you not rather know how much has been lent to the club to achieve this ?

As for the ' what happens if they dont win the league next year and the fans get ' shirty ' , well that also can apply to any club , as was witnessed after the NRC semi and the GF losses

Don't think we're in a position to criticise other clubs finances

Erm... dont we all??????????

2k paying fans @ £8 plus vat, average = 16k a game, 10 home games = 160k plus split gates at NRC and CC/Play offs add GF prize money and you may get to £350k, sponsorship £100k leaves a big hole to 800k, especially when you coinsider the extra probably includes high costs eg merchandise, beer etc

Any club outside SL getting near £1m t/o is doing very well.

Having spoken to the Barrow lottery manager earlier this week, I can confirm that they have recruited over 600 members on thier lottery in the last couple of weeks.

With a membership of 6,000 they do indeed have a lottery that they can be very proud of.

The promotion involved everybody in the club, from the chairman to the supportes who really backed thier club by recruiting new members.
With all this extra income it really does give them an advantage over thier rivals, including us unfortunately.

Credit must go to Barrow for this.

Cheers

Richard

Barrows benefit is most other clubs problem,i.e. Barrow are geographically very isolated,whereas Fax,Widnes,Leigh etc are surrounded by other clubs in all types of sport.

Barrow will generate a massive feel good factor in the Town if they keep up the momentum and carry on winning this season,I can easily see their crowds growing significantly.The team will be the focus of pride for the whole town and yes buying lottery tickets helps the people become part of the glory,that has been a long time coming.

A lot of clubs have sole benefactors and Barrow just happen to have one who likes to let people know he is the boss,some other Chairman stay in the background,all though could get fed up and call in their loans,has as happened on many occassions.

To be fair, i couldn't give an a**e about barrar. Don't even know why its a topic

I agree, im sick to death of reading all this garbage from our fans about Des. Good luck to Barrow they have done fantastic this season and to be honest how they have done it is not our concern . Lets focus on our club and stop this petty mud slinging its embarrassing !

:22pm8cmk

Estimated turnover for 2009 (+/- 10% accurate I would think) .....

2,300 average fans x 12 homes games (10 league + 2 NR Cup) @ £8 = :22pm8cmk£220,800:22pm8cmk

5 Split gates @ 3,000 fans ave (including Wigan sellout) @ £8 = :22pm8cmk£60,000:22pm8cmk

Corporate boxes (7 per match @ £400 each) = £2,800 per match x 15 matches = :22pm8cmk£42,000:22pm8cmk

Club sponsorship - not sure but :22pm8cmk£30,000+:22pm8cmk I would think

Prize money - certainly over :22pm8cmk£120,000:22pm8cmk

Bar/refreshment/merchandise - certainly over :22pm8cmk£50,000:22pm8cmk

Goldrush Lottery - £6,000 per week = :22pm8cmk£312,000:22pm8cmk

:22pm8cmkTOTAL - £834,800

I couldnt agree more. What Barrow do is their business and, like all clubs, they are subject to audit.

What they have done is a credit to the whole set up there and for that I applaud them, but would more like to concentrate on what is going on in our neck of the woods.

I would also agree. Let's forget about what other clubs are doing and focus on doing the best we can.

I originally posted as the thread was named 'Barrow' which then went on to question the clubs financial credibility.

I hope people are starting to realise that the club is very sound financially with or without DJ's money.

I can't wait until we can start talking about the actual rugby again !! Should be a huge crowd at Craven Park for the visit of Stanley's army !!

I believe he bet £100K so a nice little earner and where his 'gifts' to the players is coming from alledgedly.

Great word 'alledgedly'.

Roughly translated means 'I made it up', or 'I heard it down the pub'.

'Alledgedly' is 'made up' unlike allegedly!

who told you that he won £1.4m ,you best mates with stan james?thing is you'll never really find out if he did or didnt win a load of cash,anyway this is getting boring now good luck to your team next season and let the players do the talking.

Barrow as anybody else can do what they want. Barrow can dream they will be in SL-but it aint going to happen for a while with that Pigsty of a Stadium which does not even have proper lighting for the Championship let alone SL! The Couple of Barrow fans on here are nothing other than knobs who have no life and try and stir.
There is only 1 team really prepared for SL-and it aint Barrow or Fax. I think most Fax fans are realistic enough to realise this. Barrow fans by looking occassionally on their forum seem to think they deserve a SL place. Des the Chairman is a charactor that I personally do not like and would not trust-but thats Barrows problem/Fortune.
Whether clubs make a profit or not does not really interest me. What intersts me is how Fax are doing and that the game is moving forward. It makes me sad to see clubs struggle like Doncaster, Gateshead etc.

Don't think any Barrow fans are trying to stir just sticking up for there club nowt wrong with that, expect you to do the same for yours,only make yourself look silly insulting people by the way.

I'm amazed at the financial knowledge that fans have of each others clubs, never mind their own.

It would seem that Barrow's and Halifax's accountants reveal their respective clubs' expenditure and income to fans to post on forums like this to be debated (is that the right word?) by obsessive and compulsive anal retentives with not a clue on the workings of a sporting club. (I don't know how they work, so I don't enter the fray.)

Btw, Barrow fans - if this forum is so obsessed with your club and Diamond Des, why are you on here all the time?

I simply stated the FACTS about Barrow's accounts, I wasn't questioning their credability. But you came on here like some crazed lunatic claiming we're all obsessed with your pathetic little club and are having a dig at Fat Des. It's all in your confused little mind.

I think it is pretty clear from your above post what your motives were for starting the thread.

I also like this quote "But you came on here like some crazed lunatic claiming we're all obsessed with your pathetic little club".

You started a thread called 'Barrow' and posted our P&L for 2008. Also, Des Johnson's name is mentioned on this forum more times than your own players or coaches. I think that does make some of you obsessed - as earlier Fax posters alluded to.

I'll stick with my 'pathetic little club' thanks and look forward to 2010.

Er no I didn't but you seem to know it all so I will leave it here.

So we have lost our mantle of the biggest lottery outside SL now Richard?
I am surprised but will accept what you say, well done to them, how many members do we have then?