[uNO[/u Holly wouldn't have been effective 'cos we didn't complete our sets or gain field for his kicking game to take effect and threaten the opposition. They would have targeted his defence, I was quite surprised that they only scored 42 points, they even kicked their last two penalties, they beat us in every dept apart from James Haley, he was magnificent in defence, he scored two tries and retrieved three short kick offs which they couldn't combat.
Holly wouldn't have made a bit of difference to the positive last night . On the other hand, I think Govin when fit is a good enough stand off to fit into our play, I presume he's injured.

lol not until you come back up after next season

But by then your players will actually be able to understand PC s instructions and you will be back to playing crap like Wire

It'll be ' Cullen out ' by then

You mean Cullen will be "upstream" without a paddle

On fans there was great banter and laughing songs etc, but was at other end of stand from Fax fans, so you wouldn't of got a word of it



On main topic!

To me and a few it simply seem's Calland has no plan B whatsoever! Proved by the fact that Tamghart and Watene were just left out there despite being smashed every run, seems as if Calland was simplyhoping that their usual impac would come but nothing changed at all!

Your plan A is great don't get me wrong, but now people can defend it! Where's the plan B?

Unfortunately my learned team leader colleague, you are are right, we have no plan B, all Cullen does is slow us down, shut down the hookers sniping, and tells his guys to sheperd Ben and Bob, we lack a leader, organiser, someone to restore discipline. Cullen has the edge coaching at the minute, every stat points to it, form, experience etc.. the Widnes form early on was nothing to do with him.

Our boys are gonna have to play 100% commited, disciplined, power RL, quick plays and hope we get the rub in these games... Its upto them and only them, we better get a stand off next year and a centre, I'd start with Pat Walker at Dewsbury, nothing flash, just a good solid organiser and distributor who looks up.

Plan B is in place and it's a cunning one..................

Purposely show weakness by loss of form.
Scrape through to the GF by purposely putting in below par performances.
Revert back to Plan A - game tactics played from February to May.
Blow the Mutants away in the final.

Clever man that Calland.

I hope your right fella


If the opposition thinks were rudderless mad heads and we find a plan A and B we can stick to we might just have a chance

A very cunning plan B that Rich.





The Vicar

Well we're up to plan x at the moment

Our homage to Mohammed Ali's rope a dope..
Let everyone smash us and look rubbish..
Honoury degrees to be dished tout to key club members, genius.

Cullen is awesome, amateurs like Calland can only dream of being as good.

Well I think Holroyd would have made difference last night.

Its not about his kicking game and putting us in good positions through that. Its about his leadership qualities on the field, and organising the team. Who was doing that last night? Absolutely no one, thats what we missed last night. An experienced player calming things down when things weren't going our way.

Holroyd was so much more to the team than someone who would put in good kicks to gain field position. He brought composure, organisation and leadership something which we didn't have las night.

I think you have a very valid point. When we were under the cosh there was no one around to take us around the field and relieve the pressure until we were more organised.

Where's govin

Where's Larder?

think larder would of done better than cherryholme and govin is class and could do a job at stand off

Different era, and different needs, but Karl Harrison was always very noticeable by his absence (we used to lose!) in the Fax team. We are missing a leader on the park.

Somebody "organising you" doesn't make you win the combat of a tackle, when a pack get a roll on you, some mouthy half back who's got awful defence himself doesn't make a blind bit of difference, sorry, disagree totally.

Its a valid point you make, they all dropped the ball, they all missed tackles...

I think the point is though it was more than that, our attacking line was flat, we were walking onto the ball and dropping wet flat hurried ball, piling pressure on ourselves, we were gobbing off at the ref, we were making the wrong choices, there was no discipline, no structure and we lost our heads, and why did we lose the collision and get slowed? Heads not on, nobody with the brain to see what was happening, hence a smart rugby brain leader is required, all the best sides have them, always have, someone who stands up and controls a game and fires people up, or calms them down, someone who can read the game.

Not sure about Calland and Hall being so far away from the touch line, someone should be screaming at them. One of them needs to be in ear shot. Having plenty of data for the next training session comes secondary to the game your in. They cant influence anything at the back of the stand.

We've been saying this for along time. When things are going wrong on the pitch either calland or hall should be on the touchline barking his orders at them. I also think it shows they care as much as us fans do (not that im saying they dont) but to see some passion on the touch line would be nice.

I dont think they will admit they are wrong on this one now, they probably look at the top sides getting away with it, but forget 'they are top sides'
Players at our level need a rocket up the arris from time to time, thats why they are playing in our league.
Too see Cullen gesturing on the touchline and his players carrying out orders and working to a 'Plan' was excellent. i take my hat off to them...

Back to the question though, Dave Wrench would have done a good job on Friday, old school RL was required.

Cullen sat up in the stands when he first came here and it was only when a fan suggested that he should be down on the dug out when we were getting battered by Gateshead that he moved down there. He's never sat in the stands since.

MC should be nearer to the action when things are not going well, he iwould be better placed to interact directly with the players and get changes made quicker.

The coaches have a perfectly good radio system that they currently use and Hall and Gonzales could still observe from way back and take appropriate notes like the already do to pass on when necessary.