Balance is all that is needed. If the Guys got Blotto after a game I personally have no problem with it. However 48 hours before a game IMHO is not on. This team has entertained and won something like 90% of the games. They let us down a little on Friday but then maybe having such a short turn around did not help. This League is Tough and we have no right to expect to beat any team. The Players ALWAYS give 100% from what I have seen. Sometimes the Way we play can cost us. Sometimes we maybe have been arrogant but no way do the players deserve to be criticized. I hope the players had a few beers this weekend and are now fully focused on the game at Widnes. They may lose but there is things in life far more in important than a Rugby team. Me-I will just enjoy the way we play and know the boys want to play for Fax and give 100% and that we will win more than we lose. Thats good enough for me

When Gareth Moore took his bat and ball home no one moaned about the drinking culture then, stating it wasnt a problem and part of the game.

We lose a few games and suddenly people are calling for it to stop.

Im sorry but I really do feel it is effecting our chances of sucsess and I am not the only 1. I certainly beleve the heavy Toulouse trip counted towards our defeat on Friday night. Why do people have to be so nasty on here and not like someone elses opinion? I have followed the club for 20 years most of it through bad times attending week in week out so I am entitled to my opinions and if people dont like it they can tell me to my face.

Well said Sean....its so easy to lose sight of the fact that although we lost on Friday we wernt appaling like we were in the Sheffield game...we played some excellent rugby in patches but it was Fevs night....come on fans lets get behind the boys and win this bloody league.....=blue[size=150up the FAX!!!![/size

Except that's not how an internet forum works is it?

Get over it we lost......another game next week

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These are the games we should have won, yet we go and win at Barrow, Fev & Toulouse! Should have been winning this league "by a country mile!"

Wow 2 slightly different threads one about us being arrogant chokers and one about us having a drinking culture and 2 totally different reactions.


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Had to re-organise your atemted quote, heathen55, but yes, you have a great memory (like me) it was indeed Cavell who drove us forward ... I think he was the only guy who actually performed on the day ... from both sides!!

Like many I am concerned about the rumours of a drinking culture at Fax but its just rumours, come on.
My feeling is that the lads deserved a good night out on the Saturday night after the Toulouse match and they did BUT they should not have been allowed to go out drinking again on the Sunday as some did - I saw some of them, being only 5 days before a big match against Fev.
I know that runners will hardly drink at all while they are in their running season BUT it is a solo sport and needs that total dedication, maybe a balance is required as RL is a team game and bonding is very important.
I also think it was bad planning having the game on Friday night, it was odds on the trip to France would have some effect as the lads were always going to have a sesh after the game - no problem with that.
Hey it was Fev and they bust a gut to beat us come on, lets see how we do at Widnes on Friday eh?

They didnt go back out on Sunday......They just didnt go back to base Saturday night.

Thanks Tony if ever a player won a game single handed that was it

just got back from town and there were a number of super dooper league players out on the beer.

they are all in their own rites mind havin a really good season...

everything in moderation, the lads need a nite out to not only bond but let their hair down....especially if you have hair like big frank!

Honestly I dont think this thread serves any purpose!

Yeah, that and getting in half a dozen super league loan players

as a hardended drinker of say at least 20 years! and a now former publican, not in halifax i might add, and at a venue that too many to name not that i would, current and past Super leauge players use to frequent on a sunday night, from many teams!

i can say that drinking culture has little to no impact on players- u either chose to drink or not - no drinking 2/3 days before a game seems to be about right - if u a phsically fit then no problem, it tends to be down to how your body reacts, some are better than others. And these players know how to hanlde their bodes, they get enough instruction on it!

I use to get players in from Bradford when they were winning year on year, St Helens, Wigan, Wakefiled, Hudds, Leeds and a few others, they use to get so drunk it was beyond belief - many of them were internationals - i never saw any of my Sl players struggling the week after a big sesh at mine, and boy they were big! , in deed the majority were all at the peek of the powers!

There was one player probably the most famous in the leauge at the time, that used to order 20 drinks at a time, the first time he did this i tried to get him to half his order, but soon got used to him doing this so i gave up and joined in! other players used to try and copy him - but to no avail!

The funnest thing was they were always impecably behaved and if i said jump they asked how high! i once took 5 players to a night club after mine, the door staff left me in charge, when they all fell asleep one by one - i had to throw em out as the door staff would not go near, when i said time to go they all went! the only trouble i ever had was with non players, hangeroners, they could never drink for toffee! and i regually turned non players away, sometimes at the request of players! some very funny and entertaining nights!

I could tell some right stories - but i am saving them for my book!

To say that the 'events' of the Toulouse weekend had no influence on the game against Fev on friday night is very naive indeed. I'm not going to go down the road of drinking culture etc etc. My main concern is the recovery time for the players.

When the final whistle blew in Toulouse, the enitre Halifax staff knew they had a game, less than 6 days later against one of the form teams of our division. With this in mind they went out and got into a right state (I know, I was there).
The drinking continued until the plane landed at manchester, I cannot account for what happened after bags were collected as I left for home. So at this point the next game was less than 5 days away.

I took monday and tuesday off work to recover from Toulouse, still felt less than 100 percent on wednesday. But thought nothing of it until friday morning when I had to partake in a lengthy run at a decent pace (part of my job). I usually would have no trouble in leading my lads on these runs, however, on this occasion after 4 miles I was in real trouble, no energy.

After the game on friday night, walking back to my car, listening to my son complain about Laughton. I commented to my wife that the team seemed to run out of energy with 30mins to go. She simply asked me "Would you of been able to play 80 minutes tonight?" the answer i gave was an honest "No chance". I played the game at a fairly high level for a long time and know what it takes out of the body and mind.

So my concern isn't the so called drinking culture, just the timing of the drinking that took place.

We lost on friday night because Fev had the energy in the last 20 minutes and we were out on our feet.

I agree 100%. We are supposed to be making a concerted effort to get into SL and the club are asking us to back them. Well if the team aren't committed why should the supporters be? If they would prefer to party then, fair enough, let's just settle for being an average Championship side.

This thread is starting to get a bit silly now imo. Im quite sure that they all had plenty of time to recover. Come on fans lets get behind the club and the boys and focus on the rest of the season.

Ditto