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| Quote ="griff1998"I don't expect there would be many instances at all. In-season transfers aren't all that common these days.'"
Most of the movements seem to be "dual registered" players, by the way are dual registered players eligible to play for either team in any round?
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| Quote ="spanishbob"Most of the movements seem to be "dual registered" players, by the way are dual registered players eligible to play for either team in any round?'"
No you can only play for one. Hence Alex Brown is now cup tied for Hudds as he played for Batley against Siddal. Kyle Wood and Josh Griffin were not allowed to play against Siddal incase of any injury issues with Hudds however, were allowed to play against Fax meaning they too would have been cup tied for Hudds. Not that Hudds need to worry about the cup anymore either.
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| Quote ="billyfax"The £100k fine of which £40k was suspended was because Hull could not be kicked out of the competition. So I believe the fine was this high due to the RFL not wishing Hull to profit from the fact that they remained in the tournament.
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But hull were fined for a different offense. They didnt register thackray on cup player register after his late move from leeds which was basically an administrative error which its quite feasible player knew nothing about. Also at the time there was no clear cut penalty specified in cup rules for this offense.
If allegations about Ostick are proved your case is different in 2 ways. Firstly Ostick must have been aware he was cup tied and should have made club aware plus the previous cup game he played in was just before you signed him so I'd imagine its quite likely that someone from fax was at game scouting him. secondly the rules are pretty specific as to punishment for fielding a player whose already turned out for another team in cup and leave RFL little room for wriggle room, so I doubt they can give you a fine.
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| Quote ="wereutherein1987?"its all VIKINGMANs fault!'"
Apparentley he's the one who emailed the RFL, he's been awfully quiet on here since this thing erupted
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| Quote ="Off! Number Seven"Well this one certainly didn't slip through the net, the fact that it took 3 weeks and was raised on this forum is not proof that it would not have been realised at a later date, with potentially more significant and embarrassing consequences for the club and sport.
And I would say it is "cut and dried" as far as Fax are concerned as he played for Rochdale in the 3rd round and Halifax in the 4th round. No ambiguity there. I sincerely hope there are no more incidents at any other clubs and to be honest I don't expect any either, it isn't rocket science.'"
The RFL have handled this disgracefully and have raised the hopes of both Swinton and Batley when no comment should have been made further than 'this is being investigated'.
Common sense should prevail - the lad had virtually no impact on the Swinton game and I am certain that he was allowed to play in error thus giving no grounds for 'willfull or known negligence' on Fax's part.
Do the right thing RFL and do not hammer an uneccesary nail into the coffin of another heartland club who deserve a place in your mighty Super League.
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| deserve? Please explain how or why?
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| Quote ="The Sleaze"Apparentley he's the one who emailed the RFL, he's been awfully quiet on here since this thing erupted'"
Well that isn't fair is it? Not least because it is not true.
Fax played an ineligible player. Would you have won at Swinton without him of course you would.
Have your club made a mistake ...you know they have. Could you win this competition ........... come on get real.
It is an embarrassing mistake move on.Concentrate on the Championship and support your club.
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| Quote ="Encouraged"The RFL have handled this disgracefully and have raised the hopes of both Swinton and Batley when no comment should have been made further than 'this is being investigated'.
Common sense should prevail - the lad had virtually no impact on the Swinton game and I am certain that he was allowed to play in error thus giving no grounds for 'willfull or known negligence' on Fax's part.
Do the right thing RFL and do not hammer an uneccesary nail into the coffin of another heartland club who deserve a place in your mighty Super League.
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I once received correspondence from West Yorkshire Police, detailing their intent to prosecute me for breaching the 30 m.p.h. speed limit on a road in Dewsbury. I was slightly shocked, as I never even realised there was a speed camera in the location where I was caught.
Needless to say, despite my protestations of ignorance and stupidity, I was still punished with a £60 fine and a 3 point licence penalty.
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| Quote ="frankb"Well that isn't fair is it? Not least because it is not true.'"
And you know its not true because????
Please have a look at the Michael Ostick thread where this came to light, Vikingman clearly states that he's emailed the RFL. Even one of the fax players told my mate today that when the RFL contacted the club they told them that he was the one who allerted them to the problem.
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| At least I am not throwing in the towel just yet like everyone else.
A good solicitor could bring this round and I have every confidence in those remaining on our BOD to do so
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| Quote ="Encouraged"At least I am not throwing in the towel just yet like everyone else.
A good solicitor could bring this round and I have every confidence in those remaining on our BOD to do so
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I applaud your optimism but we'll defiantley be kicked out of the challenge cup tomorrow
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| Swintons directors and coaches have not submitted a complaint,in fact they have kept a dignified silence on the matter,Unlike some people on the net nobody was murdered or robbed if Swinton dont object that should be the end of the matter.A fine should be impossed then carry on with the game.
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| Quote ="fax-boys"Swintons directors and coaches have not submitted a complaint,in fact they have kept a dignified silence on the matter,Unlike some people on the net nobody was murdered or robbed if Swinton dont object that should be the end of the matter.A fine should be impossed then carry on with the game.'"
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Not been that quiet....
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| Quote ="The Sleaze"And you know its not true because????
Please have a look at the Michael Ostick thread where this came to light, Vikingman clearly states that he's emailed the RFL. Even one of the fax players told my mate today that when the RFL contacted the club they told them that he was the one who allerted them to the problem.'"
He has posted since on our board that he posted it to wind you lads up.Whatever like I said before move on.
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| Quote ="fax-boys"Swintons directors and coaches have not submitted a complaint,in fact they have kept a dignified silence on the matter,Unlike some people on the net nobody was murdered or robbed if Swinton dont object that should be the end of the matter.A fine should be impossed then carry on with the game.'"
You should be punished with a fine and kicked out of the cup , we cannot have one rule for one and a different one for Halifax, i do feel sorry for the Fax fans you dont deserve this, its a big mistake mad by the suits at your place , its situations like this that makes Rugby league a laughing stock.
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| How about the RFL's own dignity in this, not being able to spot this earlier may influence a very tough stance, or they may be forced to admit that they have also let Batley, Swinton and RL down, either way i expect the registration and checking process to be changed, submitting lists to each other (RFL and Clubs) simply wont do, people that play amateur sport or semi pro know that ID cards have been used in the past, if you dont have a card for certain comps for players, or cant prove their legitimate availability to the referee, they cant play. Does the referee check? I see the only way Halifax can be dealt with kindly is for the RFL to admit they also have issues, its more likely they will try and save face and hammer us though.
Well see soon enough. If we are found guilty i would love to be a fly on the wall while MC and MH once again try to explain 'what went wrong', they have good players, they have used last chance excuses, they have used the training facilities card, patience of fans is being tested to the extreme here. Despite a good squad and good numbers of fans, we are still not where we should be. I know what i think one of the problems is.
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| In all fairness, this was the only way we were going to lose in the Cup this year.
They changed the rules late last year for the golden point rule and this year they brought in that damn rule about ineligible players. It's like they know we're going to fall foul of it!
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| Quote ="Encouraged"At least I am not throwing in the towel just yet like everyone else.
A good solicitor could bring this round and I have every confidence in those remaining on our BOD to do so
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What??? Would you be so magnanimous to another team who broke the rules??? particularly if it was to the detriment of Fax? I somehow doubt it.
You broke the rules, it may have been unintentional but ignorance is no defense. Show the dignity that Swinton have and accept the decision of the governing body, however poor we consider them.
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| Quote ="Off! Number Seven"What??? Would you be so magnanimous to another team who broke the rules??? particularly if it was to the detriment of Fax? I somehow doubt it.
You broke the rules, it may have been unintentional but ignorance is no defense. Show the dignity that Swinton have and accept the decision of the governing body, however poor we consider them.'"
Do you have ALL the facts?
Wind yer neck in pal.
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| The team sheets seem to be reasonably clear about who played in the two games. Nearly all Fax fans are being dignified about a very difficult issue for the club, but you seem to think you should try and wriggle out of it on any grounds possible.
Don't bother getting all gobby either, I am making a reasonable point.
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| Quote ="The Sleaze"And you know its not true because????
Please have a look at the Michael Ostick thread where this came to light, Vikingman clearly states that he's emailed the RFL. Even one of the fax players told my mate today that when the RFL contacted the club they told them that he was the one who allerted them to the problem.'"
Please have a look at the Michael Ostick thread where VM clearly states 'it was a joke my fellow champiuonship fans'.
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| I would absolutely love it if the RFL did ring Fax up and went 'Hi, it's the RFL here, Vikingman has informed us...'
That would almost make the situation worth it.
(It wouldn't lol...)
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| Vikingman's e-mail aside, the thread snowballed pretty quickly. It would have permeated through eventually anyway.
I can't see any point in arguing about who's fault it was [uoutside[/u of the internal workings of the club.
The buck stops with the club.
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| Might I suggest that we now give this a rest until any official announcement is made tomorrow after the RFL inquiry?
We don't seem to be going anywhere, except over the same stuff time and again.
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| Is there any way that this could not be the fault of the club?
What if the club asked the RFL if he was cup-tied and they said 'No'.
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