OK where do I start? Entering the field of play after the final whistle is trespass, and the civil part of trespass not an arrestable offense, you can be charged what the owners deem fit, ie a fine but not arrested for just entering the field. The fact that gingdong's posts annoy me made me check, you can not see who is in a police van just shadows. Just because you are in a police vehicle dose not mean you have been arrested, you could be in the vehicle for your protection.

Whilest I was at the game I did witness the group of 30ish supporters that had got themselves wound up in the stand make a beeline over to the Halifax supporters and they were angry. I have to ask why would they go over their if they were not looking to start trouble and why didn't the ground staff spot this and try and prevent it. they could have brought the police into the ground.

facts

fev against halifax grand final fax fan almost killed
fev against leigh post office road trouble leigh coaches escorted from ground by police
fev against Barrow trouble during and after game
fev against halifax nrc semi trouble after game polic on hand

and the common denominator is??????

went to watch fax under 23s at fev this year despite the small crowd I was threatened by fev fans at the end, presumnably cos our under 23s won the game in the very last minute

and thats no to mention but i will the number of pubs at warrington who refused fev "fans"admission to their pubs on grand final day but let fax fans in

that at the health and safety meeting prior to GF police who said they had prior knowledge of fev fans in warrington decided to have police dogs on hand "as they'd probably be needed"

I too have persuaded most of my family to support the team i love but now two of the younger members refuse to come if feathrstone are playing, as at the shay this season they were reduced to tears by the fev fans in the east stand. . this is the next generation of supporters who are being frightned off by a mindless few, although there seemed to be more than a few at the shay!!

i too will never ever go to post office road again it just not worth it there may only be a few of the hooligans in their crowd but they are tolerated by the rest. . if fev want of get rid of the hooligans its not just the officials who need to move them on. . . those on here who say they are fev fans also need to help identify them and make sure they know they are not welcome. whatever the protests from fev fans on here David Singer was beaten almost to death and still no one has been arrested. . having got away with that why should those involved be scared of being shopped

First bit of footage. Go on youtube and put in "rugby fans fight". Not much to see apart from a couple of Fev fans been aggressive, one with his kids, 1 Fax fan been taken away by cops and just general chaos not seen at rugby matches. Sounds like the recorder got a good view of a lot of the fans fighting.

I don't disagree with any of the above. You are most correct and even the most tunnel visioned fev fan/club employee can see that. But I've read your whole post and nowhere in it do I see any examination of fans of your own club.

Additional facts:- Fax fans DID enter the field of play, - yes I know it's not the Brinxx Matt Bullion Job but some of those fax were giving inciting gestures towards fev fans (I can just imaginge the reaction from Fax fans if the scores were reversed). - this is on film.

Fax players DID give inciting gestures towards Fev fans - this is on film and the RFL are considering action.

A 24 years Fax man has been arrested for assaulting an officer - no presumption of guilt here, a court will do that but even a 1st offence is likely to result in a stretch if found guilty.

A minority of Fax fans WERE abusive well beyond what is caused reasonable banter. I know that for a FACT - It happened to both myself and a good mate - and I have never hurt or abused anyone!!

Again I'm not blind, I know where the overwhelming problem lies Adam - but a bit of balance eh?

I accept that Fax's problem is not as severe, but I know from my own personal experience on Thursday of the provocative nature of abuse aimed at myself, plus what I have seen/heard personally and on film, that issues need addressing at Fax too!
The game needs ridding of all the sheeite, not just those at Fev - tho again I accept we have the far greater task ahead of us!

looking for a rise?? Do me a favour. I'm 50 man. I passed all the schoolboy points scoring crapola years ago. I've been using these fora for long enough now that folks know how I post!!


If you don't ever set foot in Fev again, far do's, that's your right, your choice, your decision. I'm not in any position to, nor would I want to, engage in changing your decision. That rests entirely with you!

What I have occasion with is the complete inbalanced incorrect and blinkered content of your previous post.

Robin , go for a walk , get in the garden , go and kick somebodys cat , paint the front room , anything other than keep trying to make sense of what happened the other night

aye I know steve, it's making me head hurt!!!
Bacon butty done - off to Leeds to get measured for a suit - a big un!!!

Try looking at things a little differently Robin. IF, so many 'Fax fans weren't "staying away" and our travelling numbers had been greater on thursday night at your home ground, I suspect the problems would have been multiplied. As I entered the ground with my good buddy Mark who I'd met in the Top house earlier ( and just missed you, apparently ) I remarked, crikey, poor turn out again from our lot. A steward actually approached me when he saw us stood chatting with some other Fev fans and asked me to go to the other end of the ground, that's which way Fax would be " ahem, attacking" for the first half. We both laughed and replied we'd be standing together next to the Lagoon bar for the first half at least.
Going back to my point, the meagre turnout speaks volumes to me, but at least we didn't have anyone who were looking for trouble. I can say with all honesty, all I saw were the Fax fans being jubilant at the end of the game and until being put under severe pressure by around 30 -40 yobs who were intent on going home after they'd had their fix of aggro. I saw things that sickened me, I heard some of your stewards making ridiculos statements to some innocent speccies like myself and if you's be so kind to play your part in "shopping" guilty parties, would you mind giving me the person's name who I should contact at Fev Rovers, cos I intend telephoning your club with my complaints early next week as my shift work suits ( I did a 12 hour day shift friday that's why I didn't react immediately FYI . It's OK all of us giving our opinions on a messageboard, but I'm prepared to tell your club officials about the behaviour of some of your stewards & give descriptions of at least one of them. I've already fielded a message from a member of the press who knows me about comments I've posted on the internet with regards to me intimating that I don't intend going back to your ground in the future. I sincerely hope that my mind is changed in the not too distant future, I can just see us having to travel there in the play-offs, but we'll be fine as long as we go to golden point & a strong ref turns up to stop fatty Tonka & Dickens getting away with lying on at every tackle they're involved in.
As a final point. Those young lads in Halifax shirts who did fall for the bait, I don't blame them for sticking up for themselves, some of them took a beating for their bravery but some of them were hit randomly from behind, I saw one lad kicked in the back down the terracing with no reason at all. If I'd have taken a smack for nothing, I'm afraid I might have reacted in the same way, who knows if it's "easier to walk away" ?
Can you answer me why there were no police on duty before & during the game ?

Rotherham Fev Fan, you seem a well balanced person, your opinion on the above? Also your opinion on what further precations your club should take to avoid a repeat should we meet in the playoffs and indeed for any future games.

Up before the ' beak ' again

I'm a little confused, can anyone shed any light on any other teams that our troublesome faxfans have been aggressive and violent towards, because according to some people on here we also have an on going problem, I must somehow always manage to avoid that every week, strange that isn't it???

Just about the right time to slip this in, as you will recall I posted what Dave thought earlier about not holding any malice against Fev.
This was posted on both the Fax forum AND the Fev forum before the game.
First to show what a guy Dave is and how he feels.
Second in an attempt to difuse any further trouble.
Third that if and when trouble started again he had distanced himself from any of it.

What happened the other night was INSPITE of how Dave felt and said and not BECAUSE of what had happened to him.

Even after the post had been made.

THE ONE THING THAT IS UNDENIABLE AND IS SOLEY DOWN TO A SMALL GROUP OF FEV SUPPORTERS IS THAT DURING THE GAME THEY WERE CLEARLY HEARD SAYING BY SUPPORTERS OF BOTH CLUBS.

"YOU KNOW WHAT HAPPENED LAST TIME WE KICKED OFF"

IMPLYING THAT THERE WOULD ME MORE OF THE SAME AS WHAT HAPPENED TO DAVE TO ANY OTHER FAX FAN THAT THEY CAME ACROSS.

The fact is that 30 to 40 so called Fev fans are perfectly happy that another rugby league supporter was put in a coma and will spend the rest of his life in a wheel chair and not content with that gloat about it and the next victim is only a matter of time if they get their way.

These individuals are the scum of the earth and are at the root of all the trouble past and present, if these people were not there then there would no more than the usual banter that goes on at every rugby game.

The damage they are doing will affect the Fev club more than any other as hundreds of paying spectators will not being going there ever again and who could honestly blame them.

I wouldnt have so much faith in the British justice system if i were you. This is classed as a minor offence now adn will result in a slap on the wrists at the most but dont get me started on that. Its a respect problem and people like this show a lack of it.

As for the Halifax trouble makers, we did have a small element of young youths that were causing a bit of trouble over a season ago and i witnessed them abusing an away team coach of fans by Glynn Webb but they were teenagers who would have been ripped apart if the fans got off the coach and they were warned of this and `asked` to move along because they were giving us a bad name. Ive not seen anything since that though.

i seem to remember the FA forcing football teams to play behind closed doors on occasion of crowd trouble

Not one to start getting in a tit for tat debate, but a good number more of Fev fans went on the pitch in the play-off semi of which some goading was involved and 600 Halifax just walked off and didn't react.

As for the player gesturing, I've never been bothered about it in any sport. I know people will argue the 'should be more professional' line, but if i'm calling someone 5 yards away a dickh**d, for example, and giving as good as I got, I'd feel a bit of a hypocritical tart if they then turned round and told me to feck off, it's just giving a bit back. Sportsmen are people just like the rest of us.

Woiuld be interesting so see what the steward assessors wrote whilst talking to stewards on thursday and what they say about the stewarding of the situation at the end.

Shocking. Those behaving in that manner should be ejected and never allowed near a ground again. I and every rightminded soul thinks the same way - or should be! What else do you want me to say???
What are your thoughts on the abuse I was personally subjected to as mentioned on a previous post??


Future games??? Dunno mate. I'm sick and tired of it all!

It's sickening Mart, it really is. I hope they are prosectuted, banned and put away if found guilty of assault!
It's sheeite. Our club has got to act - NOW - or we won't have a club. Folks will simply say "sod it" I'm not going anymore. Which is a right shi_tter for a club with the history that Fev has.

Tommy mate, it happens. It doesn't bother me one bit - but then I'm not one to respond by kicking the living sheeite out of someone! Given the recent history of Fev v Fax games - it wasn't a wise act was it???

Tit for tat?? No owd cock. We have the overwhelming problem. It could threaten the very existence of our club if not sorted.
I acknowledge that - I said so repeatedly time and time again.
What I can't get my head round is the willingness to villify Fev fans actions (and again, I accept that villification is right), but yet the actions of a few Fax fans are excused?????
The game needs ridding of it's sheeite mate.

where were the police?

Amazing how Fev fans were freely permitted to approach fax fans straight outside ground..... was nothing learn't from Warrington!

Needs to be immediate investigation by RFL before someone else is seriously injured.

Fev away is now pencilled off my weekend rugby trips.

Oh trust me, I've picked the bones out of this over the last 9 months,but never so much as the last 48 hrs!!


There were police on duty at the ground throughout the day.
Please pass your info to the police or where appropriate to Simon Riley CEO Fev 01977 702386

I've read your entire post and I agree with most of your comments (except for the stu/tonka lying on thing - I thought Fax played the ref miles better than we did in that dept - but hey - that's a comment about the game, THE game of the season so far - so right, back to the sheeeite).
Those were your experiences and I agree some Fev fans were nowt by scoates who should never be allowed in a stadium again! I accept your post almost in it's entrity.

But your last bit - again almost excusing some of the aggression. I myself was subjected to aggressive provocative bol_lox well beyond what is regarded as bol_lox! How does that fit in with your post?? I don't see that addressed anywhere????

Add to that list - the west yorks police and Featherstone Rovers RLFC

I think I might have got my point over as to where I stand on this by now!!!
Sh_1t me right up this has!! I'm normally a very placid, easy going big soft sheeite. This stuff is something else. Angry doesn't really do justice as to how I feel. - I might just add that I am in the majority at fev on that score at least.

I've not got a problem with anything you're saying or suggesting you're trying to defend it plus I'm not really bothered immensly about talking about it on an internet forum when i'm sure the likes of you and your club are trying to sort it. Nor will I not go to Fev again because of a bit of trouble.
I was simply suggesting that may have been an odd query of what Fax fans would have done regarding pitch invaders (hate the term invaders), when we already know what they'd have done which is nothing.

I used the term 'tit for tat' in it's bluntest form as I'm not trying to simply dismiss Halifax fans being in the wrong by going 'Yeah but you did this...'. Both Clubs need it sorting in my opinion given the nature of this 'family sport'.

Cool for cats!

Your right Robin the damage done allready will have for reaching implications, any more trouble with any club could be the end of Fev.