Exactly, all we can do is keep turning up and supporting our club as we are doing and that's another point.
I know a lot of people that are supporting Fax and it is the same at other clubs because it is their club.
If our own club were to go then many would walk away from the game for good.

It has allready been said the frustration, dismay, anger or whatever you call it is with the people in charge and what is happening to our game under their stewardship, not any club or their supporters.

At least we have had some good games in the Championship over the last few years and it will be the same this year.

I am under no illusion, if it were Fax in Super League the same problems would apply to us, it's just that we would like a chance to get there and at the moment that is being denied.

Fair play in sport???

I understand your pain but Halifax got theirselves into trouble back in 2004 and they didn't make the most of there first season in championship and get promoted straight back, Salford did this twice. Maybe if you returned straight back you might of been able to set your stall in SL and get one of those franchises, it seems from
An outsider Halifax seemed to be in free fall and didn't recover, the RFL couldn't take a chance on a team that couldn't do the business in the lower leagues. Sorry if that's offensive but that's how I and people not involved in Halifax see it.

As I said, it depends on how your new owner goes about things, you quote 3 names that have achieved what exactly? Theres only Neil Lowe I've heard of before

The RFL are always going to save the SL clubs, whichever one it may be.

They have to. There are no clubs in the championships capable of replacing a failed SL club. What an admission that would be for the RFL to have to make. That whilst they were focussing all their efforts on a failing elite league the rest of the game has gone to rack and ruin.

We could learn from the RFU here. Hetherington has tried to sell them the idea of licencing which they've rejected out of hand and are looking at selling naming rights for Twickers and putting the money into developing lower leagues to increase player production and allow for P&R to stop the competition becoming stale. Sounds good eh?

Bet the RFU think Hetherington is an odious little man too!

It comes down to a lot of things being in place that's why the licencing and criteria systems were first thought up.

Problem was it has proved unsubstainable for the Super League clubs previously mentioned.

The massive uneven distributuion of funds in Super Leagues favour created a gap that wide that could not be crossed by any club trying to get into the top competion.

This made promotion and relegation far more serious that just going up and down.

In the old format it produce the jo jo situation.

How could the newly promoted club or clubs suddenly adjust to a full time enviroment of Super League in just one season with the new demands involved.

Just one of the problems was the recruitment of players which in many cases meant most of the team because the gap in playing standards was huge.

Most teams could not do this in the first year meaning they went straight back down within a season resulting in losing all the money and investment involved.

The solution was said to be to give the newly promoted clubs more time to adjust hence the birth of a licencing system for 3 or 4 years.
With the expansion area clubs included and favoured in the same thinking.

Word soon got round that promotion and relegation was to be scrapped and the implications sunk in that if you were relegated when this happened it would be for a good period of time maybe for ever.

The clubs at the bottom of Super League that were in danger of relegation spent heavily on trying to avoid this fate.

Of course someone still had to finnish bottom and for the relegated side all this money was lost and left them heavily it debt that could not be repaid.

The other clubs involved in the survival dog fight who had avoided the drop were left in debt because of overspending to avoid it.
Even though they stayed within the salary cap spending near to or up to the limit was too much for them.

The salary cap is flawed in the sence that it favours those that can spend to the limit, even now there is a big miss match between the top clubs and the bottom clubs in Super League resulting in the top clubs cleaning up the on the field prizes because they can pay top dollar and sign up all the best players.

Even sucess can be a poisened challice if you get carried away by it and fail to manage your club correctly.
Bradford for example came out of the chasing pack and spent heavily on player recruitment under the leadership of Chris Caisley and it paid off when they started winning all the trophies.

This lead to thousands of extra supporters coming to watch them.
Problem was now to maintain this on the field success because as soon as they started to lose games and have a less than winning season many of the new faces stopped going.

The buget had been set for around the 17 to 18 thousand mark which they got in the glory years but only 14 to 15 were turning up when they started to lose a few games leaving a serious shortfall in money that was unsustainable.
Why do you think Mr Caisely got out when he did.

The problems in the game largely revolve around the lack of money and the lack of leadership that is capable of coming up with any strategy to deal with the difficult times the game has and is facing.
Life in Super League largely revolves around the so called big 3 or 4 clubs and life outside Super League allthough it exists is quickly becoming life on another planet that could slowly die off.

What are you on?

Currently on my sofa on rlfans. You?

Are you referring to Jack Wilkinson here?
Also you assume that Salford Council will sell the stadium its a community stadium for the city of Salford and even if they did sell it why should this guy just give it to Salford RLFC? You also forget to mention you are joint tenants with Sale Sharks RUFC

Ay??? do you know actually what you are talking about?
For starters it's John wilkinson not Jack wilkinson number two of course Salford city council will sell their share, they are skint to high heaven laying hundreds of people off each month, so they could do with the money, number three the stadium originally was meant for Salford city Reds alone not a community stadium. four if they dont sell to marwan Kaukash and Salford go into administration that's millions of pounds in loans they have given to the reds down the drain and adding to that its looking like sale will be relegated too they to wouldn't be able to pay the lease with the massive drop in funding being out of the priemership, and therefor we'll have a shiny new stadium sat there as a bleeding massive white elephant with nobody using it. If Dr Kaukash buys it it will be used all year round and money made will help the reds become a force in super league which is good for Salford as a city and also the manchester rugby league scene aswel.

Stop being so ignorant and jealous and think of the bigger picture here!

You arrogant sod what you on about me being jealous of what exactly stop trying to be like League Freak and twist what I said! You are the one who is ignorant pal, yer okay I got Mr Wilkinson's first name wrong but you slag a guy off who was MR SALFORD for donkey years sticking with you through thick and thin basically keeping the club going, second a Council would need to justify why it would sell a stadium built for the COMMUNITY (the clue is in the title) as PUBLIC money has subsidised its construction so Salford council tax payers might not be happy that an individual who owns some racehorses might take it over, you have to justify the sale as you cannot just 'give it away' cos Salford RFLC's new owner wants it.

Quote ="Fax4Life"You arrogant sod what you on about me being jealous of what exactly stop trying to be like League Freak and twist what I said! You are the one who is ignorant pal, yer okay I got Mr Wilkinson's first name wrong but you slag a guy off who was MR SALFORD for donkey years sticking with you through thick and thin basically keeping the club going, second a Council would need to justify why it would sell a stadium built for the COMMUNITY (the clue is in the title) as PUBLIC money has subsidised its construction so Salford council tax payers might not be happy that an individual who owns some racehorses might take it over, you have to justify the sale as you cannot just 'give it away' cos Salford RFLC's new owner wants it.'" I didn't call him mr Salford that was a select few people/friends in the media, the guy if anything mismanaged our club for 30 years, just ask Nigel wood and marwan Kaukash who were said to be horrified when they saw the state the club were in. And il say it again that stadium was meant for Salford the club spent the best part of 15 years looking at the possibility of a new stadium, the club applied for planning permission on both the ground work and the build spent millions and it all went pear shaped through the brilliant plans of our chairman, the council only got involved when out original plans fell through, they had to give the impression it was a community stadium to get the funding, peel holding stumped up parts of the funding also. It's not a community stadium never has been used by anyone else apart from Salford and this year sale. Community has never been in the name it's called Salford city stadium that's it. It's nearly finalised now Tuesday is the expected announcement date. www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/ ... al-1239058

Quote ="Fax4Life"You arrogant sod what you on about me being jealous of what exactly stop trying to be like League Freak and twist what I said! You are the one who is ignorant pal, yer okay I got Mr Wilkinson's first name wrong but you slag a guy off who was MR SALFORD for donkey years sticking with you through thick and thin basically keeping the club going, second a Council would need to justify why it would sell a stadium built for the COMMUNITY (the clue is in the title) as PUBLIC money has subsidised its construction so Salford council tax payers might not be happy that an individual who owns some racehorses might take it over, you have to justify the sale as you cannot just 'give it away' cos Salford RFLC's new owner wants it.'" I didn't call him mr Salford that was a select few people/friends in the media, the guy if anything mismanaged our club for 30 years, just ask Nigel wood and marwan Kaukash who were said to be horrified when they saw the state the club were in. And il say it again that stadium was meant for Salford the club spent the best part of 15 years looking at the possibility of a new stadium, the club applied for planning permission on both the ground work and the build spent millions and it all went pear shaped through the brilliant plans of our chairman, the council only got involved when out original plans fell through, they had to give the impression it was a community stadium to get the funding, peel holding stumped up parts of the funding also. It's not a community stadium never has been used by anyone else apart from Salford and this year sale. Community has never been in the name it's called Salford city stadium that's it. It's nearly finalised now Tuesday is the expected announcement date. www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/ ... al-1239058

Quote ="RED LEAGUE"I didn't call him mr Salford that was a select few people/friends in the media, the guy if anything mismanaged our club for 30 years, just ask Nigel wood and marwan Kaukash who were said to be horrified when they saw the state the club were in. And il say it again that stadium was meant for Salford the club spent the best part of 15 years looking at the possibility of a new stadium, the club applied for planning permission on both the ground work and the build spent millions and it all went pear shaped through the brilliant plans of our chairman, the council only got involved when out original plans fell through, they had to give the impression it was a community stadium to get the funding, peel holding stumped up parts of the funding also. It's not a community stadium never has been used by anyone else apart from Salford and this year sale. Community has never been in the name it's called Salford city stadium that's it. It's nearly finalised now Tuesday is the expected announcement date. www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/ ... al-1239058'" Fair enough a 'stake in the stadium' does not me he will own it!

Quote ="RED LEAGUE"I didn't call him mr Salford that was a select few people/friends in the media, the guy if anything mismanaged our club for 30 years, just ask Nigel wood and marwan Kaukash who were said to be horrified when they saw the state the club were in. And il say it again that stadium was meant for Salford the club spent the best part of 15 years looking at the possibility of a new stadium, the club applied for planning permission on both the ground work and the build spent millions and it all went pear shaped through the brilliant plans of our chairman, the council only got involved when out original plans fell through, they had to give the impression it was a community stadium to get the funding, peel holding stumped up parts of the funding also. It's not a community stadium never has been used by anyone else apart from Salford and this year sale. Community has never been in the name it's called Salford city stadium that's it. It's nearly finalised now Tuesday is the expected announcement date. www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/ ... al-1239058'" Fair enough a 'stake in the stadium' does not me he will own it!

He'll have a majority stake in the stadium though meaning no rent fees to pay like last year and more than half of the total profits e.g semi finals, internationals, parties gym rental pitch rentals beer food hospatality will go to Salford. I'd imagine he'll by peel holdings half once port Salford and the retail park get underway.

Not necessarily. He could well set up a company that owns the share in the stadium and Salford may well have to pay rent to them and the company will get any profit from other activities.

The bloke's a business man after all.

That just wouldn't make sense, if you watch his interviews he clearly says he wants to buy the stake in the stadium so Salford can get more revenue. How can he make a company and rent the stadium off himself? He's going to be our new chairman he wants to bring in money to spend on the team he already said RL clubs don't make profit so he's clearly in it for the sport and he wants to take Salford to glory.

Of course it makes sense. Stadium one company, Salford another. Things stay the same at Salford, no crowds, no success, or gets fed up of his new plaything. Pulls support, they go belly up but the stadiums's safe from the creditors locked away with another company.

More revenue could simply be allowing them to have the profit from sales of pies.

Let's see how things get set up.

Lord give me strength!!! Either your taking the p1ss Or your saying all this in hope that all this goes t1ts up for us as us going under was probably the only way your team could make super league but just look at the facts.

1. He's paid 700000 to clear the debts that's a lot of money to pay for someone not interested in the rugby club.
2. He's paid in the region of 10millon to the council for his Majority share in the stadium, so he's over 10.7 million down straight away if Salford go bust and with sale likely to be relegated hed make zero money from the stadium as there would be no tenants.

3. If he wanted to buy the stadium and p1ss off why would he bother bringing in 3 of the NRLs top men to form his new administrative team, he just wouldn't bother would he.

4. Nobody belived his visions when he took up horse racing back in 2007. In his words "they do now" he spends 1.8 million a year in training fees in horse racing so clearly the guy doesn't lack a few bob.

5. He said in a interview on itv he's not here to make a profit as he likely to lose money in his words I make plenty of money elsewhere I'm here purly for the success and to create a dynasty.

Salford like hull like Warrington are a sleeping giant abit if success on field will bring in the crowds easily!

As I said before, let's see how it all gets set up.

Millionaires don't make money by giving money away.

Set the naive switch to full

If you bother to watch the interviews and the past 5 or 6 news paper reports he tells you how he's going to set up. Ed farish ex NRL finance manager will be our new chief excecutive, graham Lowe ex Wigan coach and Gold Coast titans football director will take the job as Salfords director if football assisted by Andrew chalmers NZ NRL board member, he's told us his visions, 1 to buy or buy majority share in the stadium for the clubs income streams benifit, 2 build an onsite high tention gym and pool for the club to use, 3 build an onsite hostel for the young academy lads or young lads we bring in from down under. 4. build the squad over a 4 year period to create a rean capable of winning trophies.

So he's clearly here for the long hall and has Salfords best interests at heart. I know it's extremely lucky for the Salford club but hey people say the same about manchester city.

Ye just like Simon Moran and ken Davy their making millions out of wire and the giants are they? At the end of the day all these men are sport obsessed and have the money to buy and create successful sports teams, and that's up to them, like I said you don't need to spend 10s of millions to create a winning RL team.

I don't disagree about the cost of building a team

I wasn't talking about him building a team. I was talking about him spending - your words - over £10 million on a part share of a stadium and "giving" it to Salford.

Millionaires don't make money by giving large sums away

What do you mean give it to Salford? He is SALFORD now. John wilkinson owned the willows but it was still Salfords ground, marwan Kaukash isnt just an investor he's our new chairman.

Oh My God, Red league, you have annoyed me so much I have had to spend the last hour trying to remember my log in.

Firstly a sound business man will keep as many parts of his business separate from each other, just in case. he will keep the stadium separate from Salford. If he wants to walk away then he can, and still have a have a viable money making business. If both Salford and sale fold then he has land that he can build on. he has not invested 10.7 million in Salford, he has cleared Salford’s debts 700,000 and then is probably taking a majority share in a separate business costing 10 million.

Could it be that he wants the stadium business for 10 million and the only way he could get it was to spend 700,000 on Salford and will keep them going for a while and then pull out leaving him with a stake in a stadium with the rights to build housing or other businesses on the attached lands worth more than the 10.7 million he had to spend.

I hope I am wrong because I do like Salford, I just don’t like you lording it up on this site because you have kept a licence you do not deserve as your financial plan was speculative and failed the first time and now you get a second chance in the same division instead of having to start again.

Or could it be that your clutching at straws trying to think of anything negative hoping it doesn't work out? The sport is on its backside as it is so you better hope more people like our new chairman come to the rescue for the good of the game, just one thing why should we of started again?