Barrow do not provide free tickets for games other than complimentary tickets for sponsors and players. They also do not provide major concessions other than the standard discounts for pensioners, children and the Junior Raiders club. The only others are that the local amateur clubs are entitled to tickets at a tenner each, tho I think the clubs must buy these prior to selling on to their players.

The Barrow Rugby lottery is the second largest lottery in the country and was the largest up until the introduction of the National Lottery. The statement was that it has recently increased by 600 members and more are joining each week, not 600 per week. I wish it was 600 per week tho.

I am reasonably comfortable with the operating figures for last year as I would suggest that they are pretty good for the Championship in the current economic climate. I would also expect that the expenditure this year is within the clubs financial limits as the board are very proud of their record of having never been in administration or receivership and learned their lesson in the 80's when it was a close run thing whether the club would survive the attentions of Her Majesties Revenue Service. I believe Wakey are suffering their not so subtle probings at the moment!

As one of you posted, what are Fax's accounts like for that period? Fairly similar I would have thought. At least it aint a million loss like Widnes.

Talk about changing your tune.
First we get all the accusations that Des bankrolls the entire club and if he walked we'd all be doomed, and then when you 'reveal' that he has lent the club money we're still doomed.

Again, you speak from a real position of ignorance.

The fact is that by the start of the 2010 season the increase in lottery stakeholders will cover the £80K we 'owe' Des.

Let's look at which Championship clubs have been financially impotent in the last few years ...

Widnes
Gateshead
Oldham
Doncaster (x2)
Rochdale
oh and Fax

On top of those, several other clubs including Haven, Workington, Blackpool and others have, or still are, sailing very close to the wind financially.

Having a managed debt and overdraft is completely normal in business. Note the word MANAGED.

What are you talking about ?????
The Barrow RL lottery has been running for close to 30 years and has kept the club afloat for many years.

Still, why should the facts spoil a good conspiracy

Posted a small profit IIRC.

this is what tonyfax found out & posted on here start of Oct.

To post figures exactly the same , and to suggest the club broke exactly even without somebody putting money in to balance the figures up is incredible , if you believe that you also believe in the tooth fairy and that a man in a red suit delivers those pressies on Xmas morning

The figures posted for Barrow are fairly good reading if correct

Ah for the 'sanctuary' , on this board, of C1, where there appears to be no other club supporters to bicker with!

Talking of tickets....I can vouch that getting comps for players out of Barrow was like pulling teeth!!

It was 14-1 actually

Okay we bow to your superior knowledge BUT look at the state of your club pre Des Johnson and you may see why we think your meteoric rise has something to do with Mr Moneybags.

Jealous? Yes a bit but I won't be when he has gone and HE WILL one day.
I prefer to have a stable position from our fans, lottery and sponsors and not to rely on a Chairman on an ego trip.

Was'nt at the begining of the season Des had millions on it according to some ,all nonsence of course just like some fax fans obsession with Barrow.

" stark raving mad " to get involved with any professional sport at boardroom level

All chairmen leave eventually and probably 90 % of them are tipping in every year , even yours , if the figures ' posted ' are true then Barrow are very close to being in a stable position

Tony fax posted earlier that Des has ' lent ' the club money , not given it , which will be true , but the same will apply to Leigh , Widnes and all the other clubs including Fax , if Fax have broken even for the second year running , somebody has lent them money to do that , as Tonyfax said , " That is all we need to know " , which is true , but would you not rather know how much has been lent to the club to achieve this ?

As for the ' what happens if they dont win the league next year and the fans get ' shirty ' , well that also can apply to any club , as was witnessed after the NRC semi and the GF losses

Don't think we're in a position to criticise other clubs finances

Erm... dont we all??????????

2k paying fans @ £8 plus vat, average = 16k a game, 10 home games = 160k plus split gates at NRC and CC/Play offs add GF prize money and you may get to £350k, sponsorship £100k leaves a big hole to 800k, especially when you coinsider the extra probably includes high costs eg merchandise, beer etc

Any club outside SL getting near £1m t/o is doing very well.

Having spoken to the Barrow lottery manager earlier this week, I can confirm that they have recruited over 600 members on thier lottery in the last couple of weeks.

With a membership of 6,000 they do indeed have a lottery that they can be very proud of.

The promotion involved everybody in the club, from the chairman to the supportes who really backed thier club by recruiting new members.
With all this extra income it really does give them an advantage over thier rivals, including us unfortunately.

Credit must go to Barrow for this.

Cheers

Richard

Barrows benefit is most other clubs problem,i.e. Barrow are geographically very isolated,whereas Fax,Widnes,Leigh etc are surrounded by other clubs in all types of sport.

Barrow will generate a massive feel good factor in the Town if they keep up the momentum and carry on winning this season,I can easily see their crowds growing significantly.The team will be the focus of pride for the whole town and yes buying lottery tickets helps the people become part of the glory,that has been a long time coming.

A lot of clubs have sole benefactors and Barrow just happen to have one who likes to let people know he is the boss,some other Chairman stay in the background,all though could get fed up and call in their loans,has as happened on many occassions.

To be fair, i couldn't give an a**e about barrar. Don't even know why its a topic

I agree, im sick to death of reading all this garbage from our fans about Des. Good luck to Barrow they have done fantastic this season and to be honest how they have done it is not our concern . Lets focus on our club and stop this petty mud slinging its embarrassing !

:22pm8cmk

Estimated turnover for 2009 (+/- 10% accurate I would think) .....

2,300 average fans x 12 homes games (10 league + 2 NR Cup) @ £8 = :22pm8cmk£220,800:22pm8cmk

5 Split gates @ 3,000 fans ave (including Wigan sellout) @ £8 = :22pm8cmk£60,000:22pm8cmk

Corporate boxes (7 per match @ £400 each) = £2,800 per match x 15 matches = :22pm8cmk£42,000:22pm8cmk

Club sponsorship - not sure but :22pm8cmk£30,000+:22pm8cmk I would think

Prize money - certainly over :22pm8cmk£120,000:22pm8cmk

Bar/refreshment/merchandise - certainly over :22pm8cmk£50,000:22pm8cmk

Goldrush Lottery - £6,000 per week = :22pm8cmk£312,000:22pm8cmk

:22pm8cmkTOTAL - £834,800

I couldnt agree more. What Barrow do is their business and, like all clubs, they are subject to audit.

What they have done is a credit to the whole set up there and for that I applaud them, but would more like to concentrate on what is going on in our neck of the woods.

I would also agree. Let's forget about what other clubs are doing and focus on doing the best we can.

I originally posted as the thread was named 'Barrow' which then went on to question the clubs financial credibility.

I hope people are starting to realise that the club is very sound financially with or without DJ's money.

I can't wait until we can start talking about the actual rugby again !! Should be a huge crowd at Craven Park for the visit of Stanley's army !!

I believe he bet £100K so a nice little earner and where his 'gifts' to the players is coming from alledgedly.

Great word 'alledgedly'.

Roughly translated means 'I made it up', or 'I heard it down the pub'.