I've stated on here more than once that we shouldn't use DR in any way, shape or form including us farming players out to other clubs. Fact!

Yes we know but it’s one thing to say what we shouldn’t do when there is never a workable alternative put forward.

Let’s follow your reasoning and never use DR in any form.

Even with our small squad of 24 players that means, depending on fitness and availability 7 will not feature on any given game day.

What are they to do?

Just stay at home or sit in the stand and somehow turn up with the right match fitness and skill levels an unknown number of weeks further down the line if and when.

When results are the key factor how can that approach put out the strongest team from the options available in the modern game?

Use the squad to cover for injuries/losses of form. Last week people were saying we had to use DR as we hadn't enough players of our own. But, yet again I'll say that my opposition to DR is not solely about Fax using it. It's about the fact that it is detrimental to the Championship and skews the league table. It's there for the SL clubs to use as they wish and we do what they want and not the other way round wether you like it or not. By the way, where's Smith this week?

But that evades the question of what to do with the squad players who aren’t getting a game and the fact if they aren’t playing won’t contribute much when they do as they can’t be up to speed and can’t have any form of their own.

And secondly ignores reality.

Is DR part of the modern game not just by SL but across all the divisions? Yes.

Are Fax and all the other clubs being forced to do what a SL clubs tells them? No.

Are all the Championship 1 clubs being forced to do what their Championship partners tell them? No.

What you are proposing is based on a game structure (one without DR) that doesn’t exist and with a dictatorship structure (where every lower club in descending order are being told what they have to do) that doesn‘t exist.

Back from fantasy land to the real world of rugby league of today, Smith his back at his parent club having done a job he was brought in to do on the day he was brought in to do it by Fax because that’s how the system works, sometimes for a week, sometimes for longer.

I hope we aren't including neither. The context looks like they are being farmed out on the back of their performance vs. Hull. Where is Fanoua going to play? Surely none of the current backline will make way for him. I'm not a big McComb fan, I don't think he's a starter but still wouldn't remove him from Fanoua. Likewise, Matagi is a donkey. We shouldn't be putting either of them in purely because they had a stinker against Hull.

Daniel smith is injured , he has a cut and is unavailable for selection according to a lee radford interview https://youtu.be/D7T1kUcJ6jI

Daniel smith is injured , he has a cut and is unavailable for selection according to a lee radford interview https://youtu.be/D7T1kUcJ6jI

Exactly. Have a look on the Cas forums and that is precisely the view Cas fans have of the situation involving these two players. If they indeed have been sent to Fax as some form of punishment it's hardly likely they're going to bust a gut for us is it? Then what does it say to the Fax players who make way for them?

I would imagine that been sent to us as a punishment should have them busting a gut for us. If they don't then SG does not seem the sort of person that would have them back and I cant imagine LR will be too impressed either. Lets face it we have come in to the season with 2 centres short and we need to do something about that and as much as I think McComb tries he is more a winger and is nowhere near the quality of the 2 we had there last season and that has stood out in the first games this year. Our pack also has been badly out matched so far as well so this is really no surprise.

Does anyone like DR? I don't know anyone who does but I am not going to lie, its nice to actually see some established Sl players playing for us as part of the link up.

Of course no fans ever look for scape goats and someone to blame whether that be the ref, players or the coach after losing a game do they and can always be relied upon for the most balanced view of things, after all we have you as an example to rely on





Actually. None of this answers the questions asked about your previous erroneous statements concerning DR.

And concerning players feelings who's advice if followed from a 24 man squad would see at least 7 players not even getting a game week in week out for any club!!!

As before all this is all based on "if's" and imaginary negative conclusions.
"If" they are being punished and "If they are picked" then they will automatically play crap for us



I mean it's not as if they are seasoned professionals who are international or dual international players or anything.

No no no "if" they have a bad game one week then surely they must want to follow that up by just going through the motions and have an even worse game "If" they get selected the week after, that would make perfect sense, or maybe not.



What about "If" Maizen is still not fully fit and "If" Tibbs has had a reaction to his current injury and "If " there are a couple of players other than Kev carrying a knock and Grix just wanted the option of experience cover to call upon "If" anyone broke down?

When you listen to SG talking about the game whether that be to fellow professionals or to the fan base rugby league knowledge just comes out as natural as breathing and without even having to think about it is part of the conversation as anyone I've ever listened to.

By comparison, how much coaching experience do you have at any level, have you ever even played the game at any level?

Yet you are implying from the comfort of an armchair that you know more about both the bigger game as a whole, the weekly ongoing situation at his club than he does and that Simon Grix is signing up to a deal where he is being forced by Lee Radford into partly picking his team, it's a complete insult to him and the club to even suggest so, it's absurdly delusional.

Instead of always jumping on the clubs back why not wait and see what happens and then listen to the reasons for it?

The thing is this year we currently have a small squad of 24 so we are limited at the moment. It’s already been noted that fax are on the lookout for players now and in the future there are players who in the past that have signed for us permanently after having enjoyed dr spells with us . It’s a bit of a try before you buy scenario . Some of our players haven’t been up to scratch yet and need a kick up the backside. Covering both castleford and fax players poor performances and fans judgements on that , one bad performance doesn’t make them a bad player, for us last year , walmsey, jouffret, aston , McComb all had bad games and were dropped but subsequently returned and started to perform consistently for the rest of the season.

Ps let’s not forget joe Keyes never really made an impression at hull kr but yet was our star player last year . Mahe fonau will be more than capable at this level.

Firstly, no need for bad language, it's not very professional is it?

Then to answer your points about the seven players missing out 'week after week'. We have a small squad and all players will be used, be it for injuries, form, suspensions or tactically. They will all have trained together and know our calls and moves. Also, yes i have played the game and done a little coaching not that it means all that much in the context of commenting on here. As for sitting in the comfort of my armchair i'm doing that as we speak. I also go to every home match, been a season ticket holder for years, and the vast majority of away games. I'm allus available to pontificate on all matters Fax,usually in The Three Pigs, with anyone and long may that continue. Up The Fax!

Where is the bad language, are you dreaming again?

I assume you mean “crap” which is an every day expression of something that is below standard as apposed to the foul mouthed “F” word employed by you so your in no place to give advice on swearing or professionalism.

It matches your below average knowledge of the game.



Simon Grix, Hudds and a Goldfish are in a room together ( and if Hudds is there it’s likely a tap room) where the one with the highest rugby league intelligence influences what the others do next.

Simon goes on to coach in Super League.
The Goldfish goes on to coach in the Championship.
And Hudds starts blowing bubbles whilst having underwater swimming lessons.

Hilarious.

Stopped going in the 3 P’s since there was a report of watered down ale.
Turned out to be a false alarm and someone called Pete had been crying in everyone’s beer again.

Anyway off to watch Cas to see who plays badly and what our future team might look like.

Much better!

Just been on the castleford forum , looks like we’ll be getting a lot more on duel reg as all their players are crap .

He was, and is, correct!

So out of interest how does this work then?

Does someone at Cas just ring Simon Grix and say, like it or not your
having “him” this week and he must play?

Or every week does SG have to ring Cas up and ask if there’s anyone who he “must” take before he names his squad?

If true makes you wonder why anyone would go for such an arrangement. Certainly hope our new coach isn’t forced into being such a yes man.

So the parent club offers the junior club a number of players as you describe above BUT the DECISION of whether to take them and play them is completely down to the junior club.

How does that equate to the junior club being TOLD what to do and having "a boot firmly on it's neck?"

Or to keep it simple, could it be that it's the junior club who just needs to add some numbers to their squad for a week or two so they initiate contact and ring up their partners and ask if they've got anyone available and if they have it's the junior club who decides if they want them or not?

Sounds to me that it's the junior club who are in complete control and are using the parent club to try and find a short term fix rather than being short on numbers or playing players who are busted which has been the case in the recent past.

Short term fix is the key here. The longer the 'junior club' continues to use dr the longer they will stay a junior club. Again at the risk of repeating myself, my main objection to Dr is not the harm it's doing to my club, it's how it is distorting the game. There is only one winner in this farce and it certainly isn't going to be clubs outside of SL.

Well knock me down with feather - another thread hijacked by DR

Fax have only ever used it as a short term option and regarding DR for Fax staying in the Championship your definition equates to both being junior to SL and a parent club to Champ 1.

In that setting as a junior club we're all too aware that without the backing of a wealthy benefactor the challenges of changing that and us getting into SL and DR is one of the least of them.

My main objection is the claim that Fax are subservient to someone else which is simply not true so why would anyone repeatably say so, isn't that distorting things?

It calls into to question their identity, their integrity and is an insult on everyone associated with the club at every level, for a certain there not winners in that scenario so isn't that causing harm to the club?

He started it.

Simply asking for clarification on how clubs can do what they like whilst at the same time having to do as they were told, which you both stated.

The subsequent conversation shows that no one at any time was ever being dictated to contrary to the repetitive claims that you have made ever since the matter was raised.

Rather than starting anything the goal was to defend the club from false claims and to arrive at a reasoned conclusion and bring it to a closure.

It's happened at least once this season where a DR player has been picked in our team only for the parent club to withdraw them at the last minute. Just for clarity.