But are they doing the business on the day, may bust the odd tackle which is what we fans see and stands out to us. But then they can't be a**d getting back into the defensive line (or aren't fit enough cos they don't train hard) so their teammates have to cover for them.

It may well be ludicrous to you doing the right thing by the club when he has clearly lost the players confidence but not me. And It may well be a thing of the past where a coach or manager would fall on their sword instead of having to be sacked purely for financial reasons.

Think all that is widely exaggerated by our coach to match agenda-never saw the likes of Springer constantly struggling to retire yardage in defense,but was capable of shifting momentum like he did in the first game at PO road this season.
The lump at Batley on Sunday (ward ?) would never meet the Grix criteria at 3 stone overweight
but does more damage in ten minutes than our forward pack managed in 80.It's a team game
and you need players with different attributes.

Your argument would suggest a team full of Springers would have been beaten 60 nil at Batley.

Anyway, it's not working out at the mo but hopefully we'll turn things around this Sunday. A few weeks ago you'd never bet on Wakey beating Wigan and Hull winning at KR so maybe we're just going through a blip ourselves. Up the Fax!!

Sometimes you have to accept that some of your team mates have failings. I mean Greg Austin had a tendancy to be a little bit lazy in defense but he would likely be another one that would struggle under Grix because of it. At the back end of last season and all this season we have been crying out for a forward able to get his nose through a tackle and maybe create something with an offload out of a tackle, instead we got Dan Fleming.

Yep, there seems to be too much emphasis on this hard work in training marlarky, which only seems to have raised its head recently. I do get it, of course I do, but quality trumps hard work imo and I'd rather have a team full of quality Springers who have a chance of winning rather than a team full of hard working Oakleys who probably haven't. Just imo!

Springer quality haha. Dear me.

Austin lazy, maybe a perception, but I saw him make many cover tackles. And same was said by many of Chris Andserson when he always had hands on hips.

I agree things are not rosy at the moment. Some decisions made don't seem the right ones. But I don't buy into this devine right to win or that we have the 2nd/3rd best team on paper, or that I wouldn't swap any of our players with any other team....

Over the recent seasons when we have achieved my view is it has often been above expectation, driven by strong team ethic and in some instances fortune to get a roll on in results and maintain confidence. We are clearly rock bottom on confidence and RL has fine margins, you only have to be a small % off your game and you can get badly beaten.

We are missing leaders on the field, I guess one of reasons we have brought Adam O'brien in, whereas we used to have several on the field. Not only for direction on our plays etc but that motivational aspect when required.

As for listening to spin, like has been said before, there's 2 sides to every story, there's a lot of biased spin on here as well, but I'll put that down to having differing views and opinions. Some of us will be closer to the mark on somethings and not on others.

I wouldn't take any of our current props over him but for me personally I value been able to get on the front foot and get a roll on more than I do a list of training stats that I feel only tell half the story especially when our pack has been so easily dominated this season. It was quite ironic in the first game against Fev this season that his actions went a long way to beating us but some fans it seems would rather have your workhorse, give penalties away for fun, type forward over a game breaker.

When can you take over as coach please..

Funny thing is I think any coach in any of the top 3 divisions could have coached us in to 6th place this season with the squad we have.....the better coaches in the division would have had us top 3.

I think this squad should be in 2nd place, definitely if Keyes hadn't been injured, he was just coming back to last year's form when he got crocked. If that makes me dillusional or self entitled then so be it. As for SG, he is here for the foreseeable future like it or not and i still believe we can rescue the season so hopefully the fans all pull together and see where we are at the end of the year. Up The Fax!

Not sure why you think that's funny. Runaway leaders Fev also think differently as he's a regular. Yet Grix thought he should be dropped. That says it all!

Ryan King mom in Haven's recent big win v Widnes-think they tried him in the halves too....oh the irony..

At Championship level he is quality though isn't he? I'm not trolling here but as a Fev fan there genuinely aren't any of the Fax middles that i would remotely consider swapping him for. He'd start for every club in the division and would be definitely be at least as good as some of the fringe middles at the bottom-end SL clubs such as Cas, Wakefield etc. I don't know what it was that led to him falling out of favour at Halifax, but I don't know any Fev fan who wouldn't have him starting every week for us.

it's very simple..it's the Grix way or the highway,ability is not the issue.

If I remember rightly, Springer's last game for Fax (or one of his last games) was a couple of seasons ago at home to Widnes. It was absolutely chucking it down (the pitch was real water splash stuff) and we had gone 16-4 down. When we restarted after one of their scores, Springer lumbered lazily forward as we kicked off and was penalised for off side. I'm assuming this infuriated Grix as he was subbed shortly after and I don't think he played again. I stand to be corrected but it sticks in my memory. All was well in the end, Liam Harris kicked a last minute drop goal to snatch it 17-16.

Your memory serves you well there. It was a diabolical penalty to give away

Its just strange how some players are seemingly punnished while others can get away with the same tripe every week and still keep their place. Before I say this I must say that I am a huge Tangata fan not just for his on field style but the work he does off the field as well but after costing us the game at Bradford you would have imagined he would have been punished but the following week still in the team and still making mistakes and giving penalties away. The players will see this and it leads to a big disconnect in the squad.

Luckily we have what should be a pretty easy game this Sunday which will buy Grix a bit of time and its going to be interesting to see who the fall guys are from last weeks game.

If SG drops the players who were awful, truly awful, at Batley we won't be able to put a team out.

Bulls fan in peace.

Interesting discussion here. I can only comment on Arundel who we picked up from you guys, I remember Grix saying he didn't adapt well to PT rugby (even though he looked a main stay from your 3rd place finish last year) he's been excellent for us this year. I'd use the word consistent. Nothing flash, but never has a bad game, works hard and is definitely a wingers centre.

You can have the best trainers in the world, but then you just become a team who's "trained well all week" running at invisible men but then fall apart in a proper game. We've all watched sides who are excellent in training but gash in a game.

Also I know Keyes has been a huge loss, but Fax have been relatively "lucky" on the injury side this year. It's not like Grix has been struggling to pick players, apart from Keyes he's virtually his whole squad to choose from everyweek which I guess adds to the frustrations.

Regarding Matt Shaw article, I get where he's coming from, but I think the frustration from your fans (and us) isn't entitlement, but there is a huge opportunity for all sides here. Second is wide open and even though Fev are the best team in the division, they're not on the level of a Leigh, Toronto, Fev of previous years. They're my favourites to go up, but I wouldn't be "shocked" if they didn't get promoted again, definitely beatable IMHO

There's a fine line between entitlement, and no longer caring.

Another one who left under a cloud.Personally I did expect a bit more flambuoyancy from him but as you say,he had other attributes,which we have badly missed this season.Our centres were gash last week and set the platform for our defeat.One a poor miss in defence and the other bombing a try by completely ignoring his winger.our other options there-one has been farmed out to the league below and the other is preferred as some sort of imaginary forward.

It's getting quite depressing seeing rival fans telling us how wonderful our ex players are doing! All we need now is for a sheff fan praising Gwaze and someone from York banging on about Harris!

I think it's no coincidence we're shipping in more tries down the edges since Worthington and Arundel left. They may not have scored many tries, but nowt got past them. A try saved is as good as a try scored, as the saying goes.

....and the common denominator to all this is....

Fully agree with this - can not see us doing anything now but if was batley and fev in the final i would back Batley to upset them

Yeah that was a surprise. Unless Murray was injured I’m not sure why he is out the team. Tangata has been a liability for a long time now.