We'll see.

We did last 2 games. He's already had a better season than a couple of our props.

But he hasn't, has he? A couple of rumbles forward against Sheffield and he's a hero to some. I just don't get it. Perhaps he'll get winning pay at 3rd time of asking against Rochdale. I won't hold my breath. There's a reason he couldn't hold down his place in a poor Wakefield side. If we want to carry on next season like this, sign players like Hirst. We need young hungry lads, not swapping like for like players wandering around clubs at the back end of their careers. Saying that I wouldn't mind getting one last season out of Ben Westwood. Lol!

Hirst as put in some fine performances within one of the most physical packs in Super League.
I've seen him play when not on sky and believe me he is a honest player who gives 100% .
I don't get the mentality at times of some posters not just us on fax but Widnes,Leigh and more so Bulls, This is championship rugby we play and yes whilst we chase SL in the current economic climate the main aim is to stay afloat. So we need to get used to players who are willing to do a job and have the experience but maybe at times need to prove a point or are at the Autumn of their careers.

The alternative of course is giving rookies a shout and again that means opening up a new wage . Halifax have had league wise a very disappointing season but it may well have been a disaster if tones of money had been pumped in to a gamble.

In the next 5/10 years I can sadly see some big names , founder member clubs go under because they bet on it all on black or red .

So to cut this post short,don't expect a grand final or promotion in 2020 or 21 but expect us to be consistent and in no danger of going the same way as the dinosaurs. Maybe the Bulls should take note

Well said. If we are not in the running to sign a player of Hirst quality(A very good championship prop) then the alternative is quite grim. Some people get something in their heads totally devoid of reality and just run with it. Another example been on the Leigh board where Kevin Brown is not good enough for them.

Looks that way with Hudds-Shay on Hirst. Hirst's performance against Sheffield outshone everything we've seen from Tangata so a good swap so far. And to argue his failure to hold a place in Wakefield's team is strickly not correct as he was being included, and that argument would hold for ALL champsionship players not in SL anyway!

I would expect every player to 'be honest and give 100%'. It's all about opinions but the one that counts is Simon Grix's. We need to change most of the team as coming in the bottom half of the 2nd division is just not good enough. I would go down the youth route with a few older heads but who they are is open to debate. Muttley Cat has a valid point though about the make up of the Championship as I too believe we will see the demise of some clubs over the next few years, indeed you could say that some of them have actually voted for such a scenario. That said, if a club is happy to plod along in the 2nd division they could well be drawn into the road downwards. Fax as a club must show ambition otherwise we are never going to get back to the top table. If some people are satisfied with that, fair enough. I'm not. Up The Fax!

Out of interest how would you rate Hirst's performance at Swinton ?

I didn't go to Swinton, Beau, was he bad?

On the subject of some clubs maybe going under. I fear for the future. I've said this for some time now, but paying £19 to watch a championship club is way way way too much, infact compared to alternative entertainment it should be no more than a tenner. I guess that the vast majority of exisiting speccies are "old" fans (not necessarily in terms of age) who will continue to watch with a gradual decrease in attendances as we all die off until "non sustainability" is reached.

Took him all of one game to blend in with the annonymous lacklustre efforts of the rest--Brandon Moore excepted.According to Grix though we go to a game with Swinton Lions with absolutely no confidence....has it really become that bad..? forgetting the team morale and most of them should be leaving anyway,Hirst has 4 games to secure a contract,so i'd be expecting his gut busting best efforts...

I can understand why your so envious of Bradford bulls all you do is slate them, I watched a game of your on our league app and you could count your supporters there where that few there, your just a set of grubby moaning Shepard’s, with nothing to brag about you have had your issues in the past and will have them in the future, people in glass houses spring to mind

On the positive side, we don't need educating quite as much.

Your - something that belongs to you.
You're - YOU ARE.

You're welcome

On to the topic at hand -

Looks as though we're in for Tom Gilmore

Meh probably an improvement on Johnston and JWH but only a slight one.

If we had 2 half backs that can actually pass with fluidity and purpose, we'd be a changed team.

This is certainly a start

................. and a couple of centres who can receive the ball, draw a man then use the wingers. Attacking wise Fax have no strike power whatsoever and it's boring to watch. Will be Fax's first sub 1,000 regular season league crowd this Sunday for many a year which I'm afraid to say is totally understandable. I'll still be there tho'

FWIW Widnes fans have been absolutely scathing about him all year on their forum.

As we have with the majority of our players this year

You would be an improvement on those 2 GFB!!!

Let's face it, not many players have covered theirselves in glory this season have they? It stands out a mile who we should keep and who we should let go. Let's see what Grixy comes up with and judge him and our new team well into next season. Who knows we might be pleasantly surprised. Up The Fax! The Grove shudds. Oakham Citra 4.2% Mmm!

For me it doesn't matter which halves we bring in. We need to get some real grunt upfront and a hooker who knows how to distribute the ball from the ruck with pace and direction. Without this our halves like this year will have no room to create.

Can we afford wholesale change and improvement?

We can afford wholesale change, improvement is another thing.

Then we may as well go for it. Balls out of the pants. Have a go. Can’t be any worse. We’ve seen many times there’s no room for sentiment....

Can we afford not too ?