A complete change with fresh faces including backroom is what is required! We could be in a dog fight to stay up yet as losing is a habit! Changes need making and quick! Delay and we could be in a big hole

Gotta be happy with a bonus point

Widnes is in your back yard LR? why you not go?

Had to work late today - it's always hectic at ours before bank holidays.

Drip, drip, drip........
Its all gonna end in tears, rotten.

I can't comment on the game cos I wasn't there so I'm not going to try to defend the coach or players. But does anyone else find it frustrating that we can score the points. They've gone away and scored 36 - how many teams score that many and lose? Not many. We scored that in Toulouse and won. Something isn't clicking within the team...

after the disastrous off field events of 2010;

no pre-season £(x)
Early NRC exit £(x)
Sponsor going bust £(x)
Challenge cup debacle £(x)

We had to trim the outgoings and trim the squad (no secret) so out goes, Branno, Maloney, Royston, Tamghart, Wrench (retired) and in come cheaper less effective players SO WHY IS EVERYONE SO SUPRISED??

Mid table will be a good season and the rebuild for 2013 can begin....

Interesting that these 3 players always get mentioned as the core of last years team but what about larder and wrench? Unsung experienced players who are surely missed also

Yep.

All efforts must now be on avoiding the drop. Yes - it's a far cry from 2010 but I'm expecting a tough fight this year to keep our heads. It's going to be a tough 5 months.

The squad we have should still be doing better look at Batley they are miles ahead of us

Rubbish!! Firstly pretty much the starting XIII is not far away from the GF team and you nay need look at the Batley squad and you still think were mid table at best?? Name me 6 sides with a better squad in this division! I can think of maybe 2 or at a push 3

hand on heart who would KH pick from Fax over his current Batley team ;

Forwards - Beswick
Half backs - Black
Backs - None

2 PLAYERS!

Am watching Bullocks on pi in the sky. They play to big their forwards and worries me since we cant defend champ forwards. They make mistakes in close defence but doubt we will get anywhere near line. I hate to say it so soon , but we need new blood off the field. MC, fall on the sword.

moved up the table again.

I think your sadly mistaken!! 80% of this side has a GF medal! As a coach in this league wouldn't you want a chance to work with those players! Rhino would want more than 2 of our squad I'm sure!! Cmon get a grip man

ok then...who? which players?

face it were mediocre!

We're not mediocre, we're massively underperforming. And that's down to the coach. Batley are doing the opposite, playing above their means.

but you are qouting this on current form not ability. if karl was at fax im sure he would love the squad we have and not need many new faces as im sure they would perform for him and we would be where batley are and be unbeaten. come on bod sort it before the boat sinks again after years of hard work

Pathetic Fax. Seriously disillusioned by that. Where is the defence, gameplan and commitment? The last few games reads with points against:

Widnes 47 Leigh 32 Toulouse 26 Sheffield 41. We have the second worst defence and nothing has changed. Attack is usually off the cuff Rugby rather than a planned move. Either the Coaching is wrong or the players are not responding to the coaching. I do feel that we have come to the end of the line with MC. He has achieved alot with Fax but sometimes after a few years a change is needed. Now is the time to make changes not with a couple of games to go and us needing wins to stay up! Very disappointed as Widnes were there for the taking but we couldnt even get up for them. I am dreading Mondays game and fear another loss.

We're playing like we are why? So let me start

Greenwood - widely regarded as a player with great potential
Worrincy - GF try scorer and potential game breaker
Goddard/Ratu/Nash - 2 with SL backgrounds and GF winners
Black - lazy but match winner at any given time
Watene/Gannon/Barlow/Aizue - decent forwards in this league
Penky/beswick - both great players
Chandler - young guy with potential

There is more need I go on? Our squad is weaker but still easily a top 3/4 side

I wasn't at the game tonight, but could someone explain why a team who apparently (according from reports in the camp) were fully committed to getting a result can ship in 3 tries in the first ten minutes. We knew Widnes would come out strong (Bob Beswick said they would in his interview in the courier). As usual, did they just want it more?

Widnes Were not great tonight but the Fax team is a shadow of what it has been these last few years. In the first half we could and should have been winning by more, and largely it seemed like a lack of effort from some of your players.

White was shocking in the first half, every time the ball went near him he looked like he was going to fill his pants.

Black is a knock on master when he plays Widnes, And he has a tendency to drift out of games when you need him most.

Your forwards have size but there is something missing, too many 10 minute players maybe? im not sure as i havent seen enough of your lot.

Holroyd was your star today, we always looked like we were struggling to keep him under wraps and he steadied the ship for you and got you round the park, Without him you would be relegation fodder. Keep him fit and he will get you enough points to keep you out of real relegation trouble.

Lastly, there was a lot of stupid dirty play in the last 5 minutes from some of your players ( a minority to be fair ) to the point where your water carrier entered the field to try calm them down.

Again i dont understand how some of these players have become so bad in between seasons. Good luck with the rest of the season.