Our ground covers alot of land, in an area that is set for major redevolpment, just before the housing slump it was valued as just short of 7 million, now around 5 million.

cas will own the new stadium with the developer owning a smaller share equal to the money they have put in (thought to be about 1 million).

I'm sorry if i appear touchy, just sick of people saying we have sat back and done nothing when they dont even know the half of whats been going on.

The stadium will still be in cas, about a mile from the dead centre of town, and for many cas fans (including myself) will actually be nearer to get to.

In the past Faxs crowds have been as big and bigger than Cas's - they could be again. Halifax is a hotbed of RL talent - 3 players from the last 4Nations England squad come from Halifax - with the extra money being in SL will bring, players of this calibre will come through at Fax.

Comercial development? I would say that Faxs game day coperate sales are bigger and more lucrative than Cas's - no evidence other than my opinion - unless you can provide evidence to show that is not the case.

Competative SL team? We finished 3rd in 98 is that competivie enough?

Nah we are [unot[/u expecting to get a sniff of SL as we know the Fat Controller and his sidekick PR Man will decide who gets in based on whatever they say, not any rules come on how naive are you?






Thing is how can we compete with a SL club on all of the above? Come on there is no way a non SL club can afford a youth set up compared to a SL club unless they have a Sugar Daddy like Widnes plus how can you compare crowds for goodness sake when no offence teams bring about 50 fans tops Leigh, Fev (currently) and Widnes apart when in SL you get an [uaverage[/u 1K away support. This also helps with finances when you can rely on several thousand Leeds, Wigan or Hull FC fans like what you get in SL.
apples with pears mate. You also rarely get a mention in the press other than the local and the YP and a tiny bit on Sky who give wall to wall SL coverage .

Blimey if they have paid that they will need a very good development to get their money back, what they planning to build?
Thing is it can be 'valued' at whatever but market forces dictate what you pay and at the moment nobody is building very much, you been to Leeds recently for example?

I thought it was over in Glasshoughton?

....What he says

Spot on that Michael! I personally dont have a problem with Cas or Wakey but it certainly does look like from the lower echelons of RL that they have both sat and done very little until they had to, in particular, Wakefield. The bottom line is we all want to be at the big table and i sincerly wish that all the clubs in question were, but as Inoffski and others have put it, it all comes down to the RFL....whoever they want in will be in...regardless! Its all a smoke screen of BS. Harlequins and Crusaders are a total laughable joke IMO and anyone who follows RL can see that, the only problem being is that in reality they will both be in SL and at least one TRUE rugby league club will not be. If current SL chairmen keep jumping into bed with the RFL power brokers and continue to pander to their ego then nothing will change.

I am no fan of Redhall BUT if you were in charge of professional Rugby League what would you do?

Expansion seems a reasonable strategy to follow, whats not right with spreading the game across the country?

Whats not right in 'working with' SKY the major source of funding for our game?

Whats not right on insisting super league clubs have some decent standing to have a franchise?

Its all too easy to slate the establishment but WHAT WOULD YOU DO?

Promotion and relegation is the only way. Im not against expansion, im against the way they go about it. Neglecting the heartland clubs for the fast buck will never work long term. As i have stated, the whole scenario is a joke and so are the RFL.

if waky dnt ave a staydiam dey shud b relygated!!!11!!

..and that's all i've got to say on the matter in hand

nuff said

And so should Cas!

Wereyoutherein1987

The sport of Rugby League was never broken until the introduction of Franchise. There is quite simply is no need for it and it does not bring anything to the game other than create a closed shop for the so called elite teams. Rugby League will never be anything other than a Northern Game - always has been always will be. For 'Expansion' to work then the game at grass roots needs to be played in these areas for example the London Side should only ever be allowed to play Southern players if not they become a Northern team playing down South.

The only way forward is to bring back promotion and relegation with the aid of a 'parachute payment' if required. I know it will never happen but how are Championship Clubs ever going to expand when we as fans know we are only ever playing for a place in the Grand Final with no real reward whether we win or lose, other than a good day out.

Take todays announcement with the Marketing Director, this surely must be one of the hardest jobs at the club because yes we have a fantastic product but no new level to take it to. I do however wish him and the club every success and myself being involved in the club do want us to move forward.

On the Wakefield front I do believe that somehow they will be allowed to continue in Super League largely because if they are excluded due to the situation regarding their ground they would have grounds for legal action against any other clubs / RFL that have not laid a brick in anger. I think that from 2012 superleague will increase by two places making room for Widnes and hopefully Halifax but more than likely Toulouse as we push on with the great Expansion masterplan.

Cas and the rest have had around 15 yrars to do something about the stadium and most have done nothing except make up nice pretty designs.

Cas have had a couple of pretty designs over the years. But has any builders ever got close to laying a foundation down on any design? No and why i do not believe Cas will have a new stadium READY for 2013.

Fax like other championship clubs have been lucky that the council have helped but often it took a lot ofeffort to get this help. Fax also put ina wad of cash as well. I believe Fax put in around half a milluon over the years after selling Thrum Hall etc. Halifax Town and the Football Trust also put thousands of pounds in.

And anyone who genuinely thinks occupancy of a legoland facility is the be all and end all of a club's eligibility for the top echelon has already been lobotomised. Which I sense is the point you've made.

Who needs a lego land stadium when there is Belle Vue....



Solvency is also an important criteria.. a one which Wakey will be more worried about.

I can guarantee I wasn't making any point. It's all a load of tosh for all teams. Was just being facetious.

Who told you that rubbish?



The Football Foundation (now Football Stadia Improvement Fund) put in well over a million pounds which at the time was the largest grant that they had ever given out. Halifax Town supposedly put in over £100,000 but made a complete balls up in managing the project.

I'm not a Wakey fan so neither of above concerns me personally but you are right to mention solvency which, along with countless other criteria, must be more important than stadia standards. Salford and Cas should therefore be able to breathe more easily than the fur coat and no knickers brigade hanging around in posh grounds but previously having left creditors high and dry.... I won't be holding my breath though.

Thought that was the point you were making...facetiously

Aye, HRLFC put nothing in and contribute nothing at all.

Where as FC Town.. well they put loads in.. oh and HRLFC dont pay their rent either..

Change the record!

Regardless of SL licences or not Wheldon Road and Belle Vue whilst having an antiquated charm were on there last legs. They should have been doing this 10 years ago, at least. I would expect plenty of Cas and Wakey fans to be very defensive and patriots to the cause, but, if the current process is to have any credibility they should be dropped. Their stadium plans should still go ahead though, maybe at a more realistic pace and scale than is ambitiously predicted by die hards. I will continue to bang on about the size of Cas as a town too, it may well have a future long term in SL, but a divine right? No! get dropped, get real, take your medicine and come back later, anyone who thinks a stadium in this climate will be built on the timescales they are talking about is really struggling to comprehend the economic climate and the fact that cuts are going to go even deeper next year, belts will be tightened and both clubs need to look beyond a CAD drawing and project timeline. Modest projects, acheivable projects and sustainable products is what they should focus on.

You cant rewrite history though therefore the record sticks.

You can.

It's called Revisionism. It's when people look at the so called "facts" as written initially for the records at the time and realise that they've been written down incorrectly. People make careers out of it - they're called Historians.

Theres also the line - 'History is written by the winners'

'Lets not bicker and argue about who killed who'



Red Hall is a shower, Cas and Wakey have been a shower in meeting obligations, thats all we need to know.
The Shay project was a complete and utter shambles, all parties included.

Without HRLFC there would be no record player